John
Walz
posted 9/12/00 12:55 p.m.
How many times does a person need to prove they are a jerk?
Susan
Stallings
posted 9/14/00 11:20 a.m.
What part of "zero-tolerance" did Bobby Knight not understand?
Kenneth
A. Pierce
posted 9/14/00 11:20 a.m.
Bobby Knight's track record of misbehavior is inexcusable. He is not,
as some have suggested, the last of the old-style coaches, an effective
disciplinarian. Nor is he the victim of political correctness. What
he is and always has been is a jerk with no self-control. He does not
inspire respect in his players, but fear. He in no way belongs in the
same league as John Wooden and Dean Smith. My father was an "old style"
basketball coach for almost 30 years. He was a strict disciplinarian
who expected the best from his players. But, as passionate as he was,
he never harmed a player. Such behavior is beneath contempt.
posted 9/13/00 3:05 p.m.
Knight
should have gone long ago, because he is a horrible boor, and boorishness
as pronounced as his is as much a danger to our culture as are bare
breasts on free TV. He should have gone long ago because he is a bad
example for our youth -- using foul language, scuffling with police,
making light of rape, and all the rest. As for Ledeen's argument --
so what if he's a conservative? A conservative foul-mouthed megalomaniacal
boor is still a foul-mouthed megalomaniacal boor. Indeed, the fact that
he can be used as a poster child of conservatism is good reason for
conservatives to loathe him -- because he reinforces the notion of conservatives
as troglodytes. Conservatives should prefer Knight's one-time disciple,
Mike K-however-it's-spelled at Duke (even a good speller can't get his
name spelled right before noon), who also follows the rules and graduates
his players and wins games the right way, but without the obnoxiousness.
And when he does lose his temper in a way that's out of line, as he
did once at some student reporters, he goes out of his way to apologize.
he proves you don't have to be a troglodyte to be an effective, winning
coach and educator.
Bill
Steffen
posted 9/13/00 10:35 a.m.
Too many conservatives exit in ignominious fashion. From Nixon's last
"V-salute" at the helicopter on the White House lawn, to the extended
arm of Woody Hayes, to George Roche's flight from Hillsdale College;
they achieve great things. Then, ala Dylan Thomas, they exit with a
wimper..blaming others for their own self-inflicted wounds.
Bobby Knight embodied the ideals that conservatives esteem. He taught
hard work, 100% effort, and he inspired confidence and loyalty that
allowed his teams to excel beyond their natural ability.
This was truly the straw that broke the camel's back. A straw provoked
from the obnoxious son of an adversary. However, lets not blame the
straw, as much as the load that rightly burdened the camel. Conservatives
are often held to a higher standard. We should work to hold liberals
to those high standards, rather then allowing our kind to stoop to their
standards. "Say it ain't so, Bobby! Say it ain't so".
Todd
Zubler
posted 9/12/00 3:35 p.m.
As an Indiana native and a conservative, I'm tired of hearing conservatives
jump to the defense of Bobby Knight. Sure, he may have conservative
values at heart, but since when do conservatives consider it appropriate
to assault police officers, spew profanity in public, and physically
intimidate your students and fellow employees? Knight gives a bad name
to conservatives' efforts to restore decency, civility, and order to
our society.
Don
posted 9/12/00 2:25 p.m.
anyone who throws chairs in public arenas and assaults people should
not be held up as a mentor. True sport provokes emotion, but the genious
of sport is to direct emotion at performance. No assault or battery
should be accepted in sport. Hockey players, defensive football players
and everyone acting in view of the public should be held to strict standards
of assault and battery. Woody Hayes was a great coach but he committed
a crime against that player when he close lined him. Bobby Knight has
committed numerous crimes. His public unaccountability made him a target
for provacateurs, true, but it is the action without consequences that
caused that. I seriously question whether now, after all these years
of unaccountability, the man can function without his "intemperate"
(brutish and criminal) manners.
Jim
Martingale
posted 9/12/00 2:25 p.m.
Let me begin by saying that I do not follow college basketball closely,
nor any other college or professional sport. I am however a lifelong
athlete and have had many coaches mentors along the way. The news clips
I get of athletes and coaches alike are not heartening regarding the
way we compete in sports. The ranting and raving and showmanship so
prevelant at all levels of sport today underscore our narcissistic (sp?)
society. Regardless of Bobby Knight's other contributions, philanthropy
or views; I believe his actions are representative deplorable state
of competitive sports where bad manners and a lack of good sportsmanship
is mistaken for healthy intensity.
doug
posted 9/12/00 12:55 p.m.
for years, we have watched coach knights antics on and off the court.
finally, when "caught in the act", something was done about it. plain
and simple, his guidelines were not to do it again. he failed to live
up to his agreement. it is time to leave...knight......
Norris
Battin
posted 9/12/00 12:40 p.m.
Of course he should have been fired, years ago. But what I don't understand
is why is this such a big deal? Really. They interupted TV programs
to let us know that a *basketball coach* was fired. Truman firing MacArthur
didn't make this much noise. Where are our values?
Crazy
Nines
posted 9/12/00 12:40 p.m.
I file this response with a disclaimer - it's under the heading "Indiana
U. was right to fire Coach Knight", which I certainly agree with, but
IU should have carried out this action a long time ago. A man who routinely
loses his temper to the point of engaging consistently in destructive,
even criminal acts and refusing to own up to them does not belong in
a college basketball coaching job. The incident which ultimately led
to IU's decision is unfortunate. Kent Harvey acted in a disrespectful
manner toward Mr. Knight which needed correction. However, sassing one's
elders is certainly nothing new in the realm of disobedient acts, and
a truly successful basketball coach (or any other adult with a reputation
for being upright) would have the license to admonish his offender.
Mr. Knight lost this particular license a long time ago, and should
have lost his job along with it. It's too bad the trustees at IU took
as long as they did to take the proper action. Thanks for reading.
Steve
Radonavitch
posted 9/12/00 12:40 p.m.
The moment the tape was shown of Bobby Knight choking Neil Reed he should
have been fired immediately.
aaron
temple
posted 9/12/00 10:30 a.m.
Just another example of people of means being above the law and norms
of society. All I can say it's about time Bobby.....you spoiled brat.
A similar example would be the perception of the elite that drug abuse
among the rich is a disease whereas drug abuse among the poor is crime.
The reason Bobby Knight stayed so long even with his appalling behavior
(for years), is because of revenue alone. Good @#$%ing day.
Tom Riehl
posted 9/12/00 10:30 a.m.
A boor is a boor, no matter how elevated his position.
John
Hott
posted 9/12/00 10:30 a.m.
I like Bobby Knight; I would want my kid to play for him, if he were
good enough. Bob Knight commands discipline, respect, and moral character.
He doesn't put up with a bunch of crap. Unfortunately, this is not the
1960's, when kids treated their elders with respect and competence from
officials was mandated. It is the year 2000, Bob got caught expecting
respect, and he reacted poorly, considering the times. I hope that he
finds himself coaching somewhere in the Southwest where I can see him.
I'm glad he got fired. Maybe now he'll wind up in Texas somewhere and
we can have a real basketball coach in the Lone Star state. Le's just
hope that he doesn't continue to pull crazy stunts.
Nathan Edwards
posted 9/12/00 10:30 a.m.
Well at last UofI has done what needed to be done for years and said
good "Knight." Knight has been an embarrassment for the university as
well as all of college athletics. His inability to control his temper,
his verbal and physical abuse of subordinates and players under his
charge is the worst example of leadership next to that exercised in
the oval office.
The exuses offered in attempts to justify these actions don't. Drive
and determination do not offer license for assalting another whether
that person be an opponent, staff member, and certainly not a player.
Other coaches as or more successful, coach K, Dean Smith, among several,
have never had to resort to the antics of mister Knight. They have demanded
the same or greater excellence, they have graduated students, they have
won championships yet they have done it in a competitive yet respectful
and disciplined way.
This action is far overdue.
John Sims posted
9/12/00 10:30 a.m.
If Coach Knight can't control his own temper and set an example in self
control, then he surely doesn't belong in a position as a role-model
to impressionable young men. A coach can be a disciplinarian without
behaving like a jackass.
Michael Long posted
9/12/00 10:30 a.m.
I am pleased the former coach was finally removed from his position.
Contrary to the opinion of too many people, I believe that boorish pre-school-like
behavior shouldn't be tolerated in kindergarten let alone a university.
Jenn Fuller
posted 9/12/00 10:30 a.m.
I'm disappointed that anyone who considers himself a conservative (i.e.,
a grown-up) could fault the decision to fire Bob Knight for behavior
that was irresponsible, childish and self-centered to the point of delusion.
I do admire Mr. Knight for his desire to demand respect from a young
brat, since the young man's brattiness can be directly attributed to
the fact that no other adults in his life (mom and dad?) ever instilled
respect in him, but grabbing and yelling is not appropriate behavior
for a kindergartener, much less an adult and authority figure. Neither
is screaming obscenities, throwing chairs, attacking players and disrespecting
one's superiors, all behaviors Knight has established beyond argument.
It is a pity that for all of his gifts as a coach and mentor, Bob Knight
chose to waste them by allowing his childish, destructive impulses to
rule his behavior. However, he did, and the choice was his own. I did
not defend the president when he chose to indulge in unacceptable behavior
just because he was good at his job. I certainly won't defend Bob Knight.
Rick Miller
posted 9/12/00 10:30 a.m.
It's unfortunate but necessary. He knew what would happen if he even
looked cross-eyed at somebody, yet he did it anyway. However, Knight
should be recognized for all the positives he brought to the game, such
as integrity and ability to get his kids through college.
C.L. Adams II
posted 9/12/00 10:30 a.m.
As a Marine Infantry Officer, I have spent the majority of my adult
life leading 18-23 year olds. These young men make mistakes. It serves
virtually nothing to treat men of that age like dirt. Yet, that is just
what Mr. Knight has built a career on. Was he successful? Yes, and I
repect those ends. Does that justify the means? I think not. Lord knows
that I wouldn't let my children learn from his example. He's a winner,
but he is one that should have been fired twenty years ago.
abbiedad posted
9/12/00 10:30 a.m.
The "right thing"? Well, I'll give them this: IU had every right to
make the decision. The General knew it. And all snetient beings knew
the Zero Tolerance Policy (ZTP) was really a euphamism for ZTK -- Zero
Tolerance of Knight. Look, IU's campus. IU's arena. IU's student athletes.
Ergo, IU's coach. It's really that easy. May they both land on their
feet. IU can return to the final four and Robert Montgomery Knight can
return to coaching where he will surpass Dean Smith as the all time
winningest coach in 5-7 years.
posted 9/12/00 10:30 a.m.
Pshaw! I thought my favorite conservative website would be the one place
where I wouldn't have to abide people weighing in with their impassioned
denunciations of the firing of some silly basketball coach. A job isn't
an entitlement, regardless of whether you've held it for twenty-nine
minutes or twenty-nine years. Coaches can be fired for any reason other
than their race, sex, religion, etc. And we shouldn't think we have
any reason to open our mouths about it.