Yesterday, the Wall Street Journal ran a short piece that focused on employers’ acknowledging the poor writing skills of many MBA students and the associated response by B-schools.
Yes, writing skills are a problem, but I caution against Wharton’s solution:
The Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania plans to double its communication coursework to 12 classes starting in 2012. Last fall, all first-year students competed in a mandatory writing competition, which asked students to write short pieces in response to prompts. It will become a fixture in the new curriculum.
Creating more writing classes is better than nothing, but writing skills need to be enforced throughout an entire curriculum. There cannot be one course that grades on conciseness, while another course only evaluates the message. Students don’t always know what they need to know; such mixed messages will not help them take their written communication more seriously.
I contend that students don’t need more writing courses, they need writing skills to have a more prominent role in the qualitative courses that they already take.
Heck, this story posted at Drudge for hours was been written by a (supposed) journalist, and it's full of poor English ("taxing a heavy toll", "recuperating bonus payments"). Why expect managers to be able to write if journalists cannot? External Link
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseDr. Fertig, you are absolutely correct. But it can be *extremely* difficult to get sufficient faculty to support a writing across the curriculum initiative of any sort, formal or informal. I've been privileged to be part of two successful such programs, quite different in nature, but have also seen the reluctance and even hostility of other faculties to the least suggestion that anyone but the English department should bear *any* responsibility for quality writing. I've also seen faculties willing to try it out combined with administrators who think it's a great idea but won't lift a finger to fund it . . . and you can't just say, "everybody must make their students write more." You have to have someone who can give the training and encouragement necessary to help those who don't know even where to start -- and someone teaching a full load simply can't do it.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseTry "concision": more concise than "conciseness," and more elegant as well.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI remember in the web boom years writing was declared dead and we were told we'd all be communicating in universally accepted graphical symbols.
Of course these were the same people who predicted race, class, and religion would become irrelevent and we'd all be equal and one with the universe behind our online entities and email addresses.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseIf you aren't able to write by the time you get to grad school, chances are you aren't going to start learning how to write while you're in grad school.
Instead of trying to help kids determine their gender roles in grade school, perhaps educators should teach them proper sentence structure.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse"...they need writing skills to have a more prominent role in the qualitative courses that they already take."
That's just the beginning. Students in the sciences desperately need help in explaining the results of QUANTITATIVE reasoning. Somewhere in their education, too many of them picked up the bad habit of plug-and-chugging some numbers through an equation or program, putting a box around the answer, and tossing the hastily scribbled result over the transom for a grade. It's a Sisyphean task teaching them that on the job, their answer might come back like a hot line drive, with a pink slip attached.
Writing Across the Curriculum is the dental flossing of university education--a great idea but nobody does it. Every professor in my department complains about the shoddy reports their student submit, but none of them offer writing assignments in their freshman classes. After all, who's going to read and edit 150 analysis reports? The African/Asian/Eastern European teaching assistant who's struggling with English writing in his own classes?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseWriting across the curriculum is always good to push for, but there are several obstacles:
1) It is difficult for an institution to demand the additional labor of all the rest of their instructors. Correcting writing and grammar is very time intensive. Across the curriculum initiatives, if they are to have more than a window dressing effect, require smaller class sizes and therefore more faculty. Most institutions want better writing, but few are willing or able to put their money where their mouth is.
2) Many, many faculty members can't write themselves. Having them correct grammar may not be advisable except on the most rudimentary level, which is often just what's needed in an MBA program. That said, even rudimentary errors may go unnoticed by MBA faculty that have let their writing atrophy for years. Powerpoint, bane of grammar...
Nevertheless, go, fight, win.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThe secret to writing better? READ.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseMTM & Beth: you are certainly right about the problems getting departments to buy in. Beth, you could do everyone here a favor by naming those two programs you've worked in.
I understand St Lawrence in New York has just such a program and its highly regarded.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseIt starts with diagramming sentences when young, so students realize there IS a structure to our language, with multiple parts, each of which has a distinct purpose. It continues with practicing writing composition, with errors and poor choices pointed out, and alternate possibilities suggested. It further continues with regular reading out loud of examples of good writing, so students learn to hear the difference between good and poor writing.
Currently, students are for the most part left to teach themselves with a minimum of grammar instruction that is almost never related to their own output. Instead, a student must discern his error or poor judgment for himself using his grade and the grading rubric. (If he couldn't do it right in the first place, he's not going to teach himself with the mere "grade as hint" that he got it wrong).
Then, lots and lots of quality reading.
At present, teachers are not teaching; they are merely facilitating. Many will proudly state so: "I am not the sage on the stage. I am the guide on the side". Well, if we want kids to learn, rather than merely be given a time, place, and resources to learn, than teachers should teach as though it matters whether the learning actually happens, rather than merely provide opportunities for students to teach themselves.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseYes, it starts at a young age. One thing to note: written English has never been successfully taught without the concurrent instruction in Latin, which teaches grammar in English by means of a second grammatical and syntactical point of reference...binocular vision, as it were.
We are trying to run straight at teaching English composition (and rhetoric) when we ought to be taking a subtler route....
The above is in no way meant to discourage diagramming, diagramming, diagramming.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThis is emblematic of the dilution of education as a whole. We have slowly allowed education to be replaced with 'socialization' and lets not hurt anyone's feelingism. We must et back to focusing on education.
Is it me, does it seem the decline began with the creation of the Department of education?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseCromulent: The University of Kansas, whose program is still running well from what I see, and Missouri State University, whose program I am now unfamiliar with, having no ties there any longer.
One key to WAC programs is that the director help non-English faculty to understand that teaching writing does NOT mean correcting grammar and editing sentences to any great extent. Students ought to be able to do that, and a college with a WAC program had better have an excellent writing center to which to refer the students who need such remedial help. All teachers should assuredly not have to be grammar teachers.
What professors in the disciplines do need to do is have their students write a great deal throughout every semester, many different kinds of writing and especially those that are most needed in the particular discipline. They need to make them read professional journals in the discipline and respond to them. Then they need to address the students' articulation of ideas in written form -- logic, support, structure, etc. A term paper at the end of a semester, without any other writing and without any intervention in the process along the way, is not writing instruction. Neither is correcting grammar if the ideas presented are slipshod, inaccurate, and incomprehensible because of poor logic and poor comprehension of others' ideas.
There is a certain amount we can do in English classes toward teaching students generally how to think logically and articulate that logical thinking in writing. But we can only do so much. We can't teach the particular logic and structure of every discipline, of course. And when our students come to us mouthing platitudes and cliches, without the least idea of how to find, much less understand and use, credible support for an idea . . . well, it's tough in a semester or two or three. At Bryan, we do our best in that time; we teach from a Christian perspective, of course: that leads us to respect the text and demand that students learn what texts *say* (none of this "what does it mean to me" touchy-feely foolishness). The ones who trust us and do the work usually at least get better, though not always as much as we'd like to see.
With all due respect to MTM, I don't know Latin myself and I believe that my non-Latin-studying students have learned a great deal about how to write. Our English majors are remarkable writers. And it is not the required grammar course that makes them that; the grammar course enhances their understanding of what they already do well -- first because they *read* everything they can get their hands on, and second because we are *relentless* in demanding clear expression from them (which includes correctness, but correctness is only one small part of clarity, and can be achieved quite well without studying Latin). It is true that study of other languages helps to solidify an understanding of grammar, and our students are required to have another language through at least the intermediate level. But people who never learned any language except English can learn to write not only competently but brilliantly.
And to those who have pointed out the need for reading -- absolutely. That is the activity that is an absolute, fundamental, can't-be-shirked requirement for writing well.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI think there are two key reasons for this. The first is the emphasis on the GMAT and quantitative skills in the application phase. The other is that most of your grade (at least where I went for my MBA) was group work, presentations and quantitative assignments. The only classes that required writing on an individual level were marketing, organizational behavior and international business. This is a little more than half of a semester's course load.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbusePeople who write about "writing skills" are not a good bet for improving anyone's writing.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseSo, you want graduate-level students to be able to write? Instruct your students daily that writing -- and every other discipline worth doing well -- has rules and techniques that must be mastered in order for one to excel in it, and begin teaching this foundation in elementary school, where constant repetition will form it into habit. Students who can write cogent sentences, logical paragraphs, and well-reasoned essays by the end of high school can be taught to adapt their writing to the differing requirements of academia and the varying demands of business. A student who lacks these rudimentary skills doesn't belong in a remedial writing class in college: he doesn't belong in college at all -- let alone graduate school.
And if you have to blame someone for this rotten state of affairs, skip the Department of Education and start at the university writing education departments that too often instruct would-be elementary and secondary teachers that substance and content always trump structure and "rules." A student who doesn't know the conventions of writing has no more chance of producing quality work than a pianist who never learned his scales has of playing "Rhapsody in Blue."
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbusePatrick Gregory: AMEN! One becomes a bit weary of being seen as incompetent because one or two college courses cannot possibly rectify the failure to teach writing for the 12 prior years.
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