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How to Judge a Department

We talk a lot these days about how wrong it is to judge colleges on the basis of inputs. But as universities start to make serious cuts, there’s a danger that the “input mentality” will guide the process by protecting the most popular majors.

Perhaps we should look at what Chinese universities are doing, says Jay Schalin. They are about to evaluate — and cut where necessary — those academic departments from which graduates are having trouble getting jobs. Jay writes:

The United States does not need more baristas with sociology or psychology degrees (two popular majors with comparatively little professional employment potential).

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 Lee
   01/30/12 21:04

Here i am again, arguing in favor of ancient near eastern philology-because it would get cut well before cuts in sociology and psychology. And I still see something worthwhile in studying Sumerian. Not like there are tons of baristas who can jot down your order in cuneiform, but it would nice to keep up some American scholarship in the more abstruse fields. And I hate to see the University of Chicago and Harvard going back to holding the monopoly on ancient near eastern philology...

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   01/31/12 11:27

Serious question: are holders of degrees in near eastern philology as un- or underemployed as those with degrees in sociology and psychology? Abstruse is one thing, unemployable is another.

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   01/31/12 11:34

I understand the motivation behind this approach, but I think it's problematic on a few levels. First, you'd end up cutting plenty of interesting and important fields of study that don't lead to a career path. I highly doubt that classics would survive, for instance, as it's already on life support at most of the universities with which I'm familiar. History, philosophy, anthropology--these don't tend to lead to consistent employment, but that doesn't mean we should cut them. Contrary to what some critics of the university think, a career is not the sole (or even the most important) purpose of a college education.

Second, it's a bit odd to cut popular majors, since these are the courses of study that people want to pursue. They also bring in a disproportionate amount of tuition dollars, which essentially allows them to underwrite the smaller but still important majors that aren't as popular. Cut psychology and sociology, and you don't have as much money for the other majors. Moreover, If I'm understanding the argument correctly, you'd essentially have a rationed number of slots for psychology majors, and everyone else would just lose out. I've seen what happens when departments don't have enough staffing to handle demand; you get overfilled classes and people who graduate in five years instead of four.

As a side note, psychology may be more useful than you might think, though it depends a lot on how the student approaches the major. Psychology majors, particularly if they take neuroscience classes, are in a good position to pursue further study in medicine, nursing, physical therapy, speech therapy, occupational therapy, counseling of all sorts, research of various sorts...it's a long list. Yes, people can squeak by even if they spend most of their time on the beach, but that shouldn't be taken as an indictment of the major as a whole.

Overall, this approach seems like a strange thing for conservatives to endorse. It would reduce the pursuit of traditional fields of study. Instead of allowing course offerings to fluctuate with demand, it would instead require university officials to exert quite a lot of top-down control, rationing the amount of available courses on the theory that they have the knowledge and authority to make these decisions. Sounds like the good old five-year plan approach, though this would probably require something more like a ten- or twenty-year plan. I'm not sure why you'd trust anyone, particularly university officials, with power of this sort. Certainly students should *have* data on employment rates to help them make decisions--but ultimately, the decision must be theirs.

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 Lee
   01/31/12 18:04

Lorraine, you are the cats pajamas! And I mean no sarcasm!

Though... the big major departments really don't underwrite the small less popular departments. Which is why those departments come up with classes like "Sport in the Ancient World" to attract undergrads. "Distribution requirements" breath moolah into the departments like Classics... or Near eastern studies (generally the home of ancient near eastern philology.) I half jokingly suggested that my home department establish such classes as "Sex in the Hebrew Bible" and "Beer in the Ancient Near East." There was potential for serious work in both classes, and we woulda packed in oodles of undergrads interested in... sex and beer.

(Beer was an important part of the ancient near east. One of the earliest extent documents found by archaeologists was an hymn to Ninkasi, that was essentially a recipe for beer. And, well,sex in the bible: Judges, Samuel...)

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   01/31/12 20:55

Thanks. As for who's underwriting whom, I suppose I should only speak for my own institution. Around here, big science programs like biology don't underwrite other programs because they need to cover their own (high) costs, but big social-science programs do. It's pretty easy to calculate the relationship between the financial resources of a department and the total number of credit hours (and thus tuition dollars) it brings in. I know this because the chairs of the respective social-science departments hammer on the statistic at every opportunity. The distro requirements help prop up history and the language departments, at least to an extent, but they don't save classics or art history. We just have an administration that insists on keeping those around.

I've always been of two minds about cutesy class names. They're often ridiculed by critics of the university, including folks at Phi Beta Cons, but they're really just a form of advertising, and as you say it's possible for them to cover serious material. (My favorite example is a class called, well, "Oral Pleasures," which actually covers ballads, epic poems, storytelling traditions, gospel music, and so forth. You could bounce from ancient Greece to Ireland to the Appalachians to southern black slave songs. The name is a bit over the line for my personal taste, but the material really was phenomenal.) Still, in my experience, they tend to draw in the slackers and deadbeats. It's a shame, but that's how it is.

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