Prof. Chris Turney Abandoning Ship; Crew Will Not


An update on Gilligan Professor Turney and his stuck-in-the-ice expedition to Antarctica via The Australian:

A helicopter rescue was planned for the 42 scientists, media and tourists but proved impossible on Tuesday and yesterday because of snow and strong winds.

The 22 crew members planned to stay on board until the ship could be freed.

When the global warming gets tough, the global-warming alarmists get cold feet. Abandon ship!

And from this same article, another “inconvenient truth” — the original Mawson expedition, which Turney is reenacting, had no issues with sea ice:

GRAINY film footage from Douglas Mawson’s epic Antarctic survey and expedition provides lasting proof that when the adventurer’s team reached Commonwealth Bay exactly 100 years ago, it was free of sea ice.

It is a historical fact that some people argue can only add to acute embarrassment for Australian climate scientist Chris Turney, the carbon entrepreneur and head of climate science at the University of NSW, whose Antarctic mission has come to a frozen dead stop.

Turney’s team of embedded global media and paying science-minded tourists has spent the festive season trapped in sea ice instead of exploring what melting ice caps mean for mankind.

Rather than disappearing poles, for more than a week global attention has been focused on the fact that in recent years Antarctic ice has been growing, not shrinking as in the Arctic.

Turney is lamenting that he has become trapped in his own experiment.

Except what Turney embarked on was never an experiment — it was a stunt.

In other news, it looks like the United States Coast Guard is coming to the rescue. The Heavy Icebreaker Polar Star, already on the way to Antarctica to bring supplies to the U.S. research facility at McMurdo Station, is on tap to assist if needed — which is now likely.

Maybe the best punishment for Turney and his ship-of-fools is to make them stay on board until the Americans arrive rather than waste money and risk lives to save his sorry group with a helicopter rescue.

Update: Turney’s not leaving so fast. The rescue plan via helicopter is on hold now that the icebreaker with the helicopter — the Xue Long – is trapped in the ice as well. Here’s the press release from the Australian Maritime Safety Authority advising on the status of the rescue:

The Australian Maritime Safety Authority’s (AMSA) Rescue Coordination Centre (RCC Australia) has 
been advised this morning that sea ice conditions in the area are likely to delay today’s planned rescue 
of passengers from the MV Akademik Shokalskiy. 
It is now likely the rescue will not go ahead today. 
AMSA understands that current sea ice conditions prevent the barge from Aurora Australis from reaching 
the Chinese vessel Xue Long (Snow Dragon) and a rescue may not be possible today. 
The Xue Long’s helicopter is unable to land on the Aurora Australis due to load rating restrictions. It is 
not safe to land the helicopter next to Aurora Australis at this time. 
The preferred and safest option at this stage is to ultimately transfer the passengers onto Aurora 
All passengers on board the MV Akademik Shokalskiy are currently safe and well. The preferred option 
is to wait for conditions that will allow the rescue to be completed in a single operation to reduce 
unnecessary risk. 
Alternative measures to complete the rescue operation are now being investigated by AMSA and the 
ships involved. 
This rescue is a complex operation involving a number of steps. Operations in Antarctica are all weather 
and ice dependent and conditions can change rapidly. The priority is to ensure the safety of all involved. 
RCC Australia continues to be in regular contact with all vessels involved and continues to monitor the 
situation. The vessels involved are also in close contact with each other via VHF radio. 
The search and rescue operation commenced on Christmas morning AEDT after the Falmouth Maritime 
Rescue Coordination Centre (MRCC) in the United Kingdom received a distress message via satellite 
from the MV Akademik Shokalskiy. The distress message and subsequent coordination of the incident 
was passed to RCC Australia, who is the responsible search and rescue authority for this area. 
Media Note: Media are advised to keep an eye on AMSA’s Twitter feed @AMSA_News for the latest 
information relating to this rescue.

Global Warming Scientists Still Stuck in Antarctic Ice


But spirits are high! The leader of the expedition, Professor Chris Turney, even had time to send out this “Happy New Year” YouTube video.

But there is some disturbing news, as reported by the Guardian’s Alok Jha, who is on the expedition:

Ornithologist Kerry-Jayne Wilson counted the populations of Adélie penguins. She found what she had feared – numbers in decline – and something worse: bodies of dead chicks littering the rookeries and many eggs not being properly incubated. These birds feed on the seashore, which has moved some 70km thanks to ice around Cape Denison. Every extra kilometre the penguins have to walk reduces the energy available for rearing young. Until iceberg B09B melts and the fast ice dissipates and returns open water to Cape Denison, penguin numbers will continue to drop.

No word yet from the ornithologist or Jha on how many penguins will die if the ship gets crushed by the ice, sinks, and spills its fuel.


Arctic Ice Volume Up 50 Percent since 2012


Measuring the volume of the ice is a different measure than the percentage of ocean covered with ice. And this growth in volume was unexpected (of course):

In October 2013, the European Space Agency satellite CryoSat measured 9,000 cubic kilometres of sea ice on the Arctic Ocean, said an ESA news release Monday. At the same time of year in 2012, it measured just 6,000 cubic kilometres — a record low.

The satellite, launched in 2010, is designed to measure sea ice thickness across the Arctic Ocean, allowing scientists to monitor changes in volume and not just surface coverage.

[. . .]

Scientists had noticed that generally, since CryoSat was launched in 2010, Arctic sea ice volumes haven’t varied as much from year-to-year as sea ice coverage.

Because of that, they hadn’t expected an increase in volume comparable to the increase in surface coverage, said Rachel Tilling, lead author of the new study, in a statement.

“But it has been, and the reason is related to the amount of multi-year ice in the Arctic,” added Tilling, a researcher at the U.K.’s Centre for Polar Observation and Modelling.

Multi-year ice survives more than one summer without melting and is considered an indicator of “healthy” Arctic sea ice cover, the ESA reported.

But we know the conclusion before they say it:

“The Arctic caught a break, if you will, in 2013,” said Martin Jefferies, the University of Alaska geophysicist who edited the report card, at the AGU conference. “But one year doesn’t change the long-term trend toward a warmer Arctic.”

We’re still doomed.

Global Warming Continues to Wreak Havoc on Antarctic Rescue Efforts


The team of scientists studying global warming, along with the tourists they brought with them, are still stuck in the ice in Antarctica

An Antarctic blizzard has halted an Australian icebreaker’s bid to reach a Russian ship trapped for a week with 74 people onboard, rescuers said on Monday.

The Aurora Australis had to return to open waters about 18 nautical miles from the stranded Akademik Shokalskiy because of poor visibility, the Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA), which is coordinating the rescue, told Reuters.

The Australian vessel had reached as close as about 10 nautical miles from the trapped ship before turning back.

“The weather condition is not safe for it to proceed, and it’s gone back to open water,” said AMSA spokeswoman Lisa Martin.

A Chinese icebreaker, the Snow Dragon, has been halted by thick ice within sight of the ship. The Snow Dragon had a helicopter on board that could be used to rescue passengers if the Aurora Australis failed to get through, AMSA said earlier, but the aircraft was grounded by the snow.

“We can’t fly a helicopter in these conditions either. There is essentially nothing we can do at this point of time,” Martin said.

The Aurora Australis would have to wait for the weather to improve before a second rescue attempt, she added.

To paraphrase Mark Twain, the coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in Antarctica.


Update: Global Warming Stikes the ‘Rescue’ Icebreaker in Antarctica


To follow up on this post yesterday of the ice-bound climate scientists in Antarctica, it look like they’re going to need a bigger boat icebreaker:

A Chinese icebreaker boat trying to eat through a dense ice block in Antarctica to rescue 74 people trapped on a ship since Christmas Day has had to halt efforts because the ice is too thick.

The Chinese “Snow Dragon” reached the ice floe off the coast of Cape de la Motte, and got about 6.7 nautical miles from the Russian-operated MV Akademik Shokalskiy  Friday, before calling off the mission, according to the Australian Maritime Safety Authority.  

The Russian ship is not in danger of sinking, and there are ample supplies and food for those aboard.  A rescue coordination center is exploring other options to help free the ship, including the evacuation of all passengers.  Another ice breaker ship that has better capabilities than the Chinese vessel, the Aurora Australis, is headed towards the Shokalskiy and is expected to arrive over the weekend.

Remember, it’s summer in the southern hemisphere. I hope they rescue these poor people before the weather gets, you know, cold.

The rest here.



Global Warming Strikes Antarctic Science Team


Guess how. CNN:

The first of three ice-breaking rescue ships is expected to reach an expedition vessel trapped in frozen seas off Antarctica by Friday, the voyage’s leader told CNN via Skype.

“We just want to assure family and friends, everyone is fine, the vessel is safe, and we’re looking forward to getting home and having a decent cup of coffee soon,” said Chris Turney, expedition leader and professor of climate change at University of New South Wales in Australia.

He said crew members, researchers and tourists aboard were doing “amazingly well.”

“Morale is remarkably high,” he added Thursday in the Skype interview, whose video displayed a whited-out scenery.

The MV Akademik Shokalskiy, with 74 people aboard, became locked in sea ice Monday night and spent the next 12 hours with all aboard hoping that high winds would subside.

They didn’t.

So, the ship spent Christmas at a frozen standstill 100 nautical miles east of the French base Dumont D’Urville, about 1,500 nautical miles south of Hobart, Tasmania.

“We had a great Christmas,” Turney said, though everyone was frustrated about not being able to venture out into the open ocean.

“This is an area of enormous change. We’re in an area of a big driver of global climate,” Turney said. “We wanted to come here to see how much change has taken place.

“Ironically, this is actually giving us extra time to do research,” he said about being stuck in the frozen waters.

The rest here.

Alarmists Coming for Your Steak Next


Bloomberg Businessweek reports on how cows and their methane emissions are overlooked in the entire global-warming debate:

Cattle and other ruminants are probably the biggest human-related source of methane, a gas adding to global warming, and climate negotiators have paid too little attention to livestock, a team of researchers said.

Cows, sheep, goats and buffalo produce “copious amounts” of methane in their digestive systems, Oregon State University wrote in an online press release, citing analysis published in the journal Nature Climate Change today. One of the most effective ways to cut the gas would be to reduce the global population of ruminant livestock, the university said.

Ruminants, which ferment plants in a specialized stomach before digestion, are estimated to be the largest single human-related source of methane, with greenhouse-gas emissions from sheep and cattle 19 to 48 times higher than beans or grains per pound of food produced, according to the report.

“Reducing demand for ruminant products could help achieve substantial greenhouse gas reductions in the near-term,” Helmut Haberl of Austria’s Institute of Social Ecology, a study co-author, was cited as saying in the statement. Lowering demand would be “a considerable political challenge,” he said.

The number of ruminant livestock in the world has risen 50 percent in the past 50 years to about 3.6 billion animals, according to the report. About a quarter of the Earth’s land area is used for grazing, mostly cattle, sheep and goats.

Actually, I’ve paid considerable attention to the impact of livestock and their impact on the environment. I’m just waiting, however, for the same people who say this to adopt the U.N.’s recommended “green” food source: insects

The rest from Bloomberg Businessweek here.

More Tax Breaks for Tesla


A car for the 1 percent gets another tax break in California:

California will give Tesla Motors a $34.7 million tax break to expand the company’s production of electric cars and power trains in the state, officials said this week.

Tesla, based in Palo Alto, won’t have to pay sales and use taxes on new manufacturing equipment worth up to $415 million. The equipment will help Tesla more than double the number of Model S sedans it builds at its Fremont factory, as well as assemble more electric power trains for customers such as Daimler and Toyota.

Tesla expects to build 21,500 sedans this year. The new equipment would help expand annual production by 35,000 cars.

California is one of the few states to tax the purchase of manufacturing equipment, a policy that California business associations have spent years trying to change. But the state does grant exemptions for clean-tech companies as a way to encourage the industry’s growth.

The state estimates that with the new purchases, Tesla will add 112 permanent jobs. And by increasing employment and, presumably, car sales, the state predicts that California will take in more than enough additional tax revenue to make up for the exemption. A report by the California Alternative Energy and Advanced Transportation Financing Authority predicts a $24.4 million net benefit to the state.

But if this particular tax break helps a “green” company, wouldn’t it also help every other company in the state? 

The rest here.

Coming Soon? ‘Green’ Ammo Mandates


Say goodbye to lead. Fox News:

When the last bullet-producing lead smelter closes its doors on Dec. 31, it will mark  a major victory for those who say lead-based ammunition pollutes the environment, but others warn ‘green’ bullets will cost more, drive up copper prices and do little to help conservation.

The bid to ban lead bullets, seen by some as harmful to the environment, started slowly more than a decade ago. But with two dozen states, including California, banning bullets made of the soft, heavy metal, the lead bullet’s epitaph was already being written when the federal government finished it off.

First, the military announced plans to phase out lead bullets by 2018.

Then the federal Environmental Protection Agency, citing emissions, ordered the shutdown of the Doe Run company’s lead smelter in Herculaneum, Mo., by year’s end.

Whether by state or federal regulation, or by market forces, lead bullets will be all but phased out within a few years in favor of so-called green bullets, experts say. While many believe that this will help the environment by keeping lead from contaminating groundwater, others say switching to copper-based bullets will cost hunters and sportsmen more and have little effect on the environment.

The rest here.

Latest ‘Green’ Jobs Scheme: Deconstructing Homes


Not demolishing an old home — deconstructing it:

Clearing old buildings is a necessary part of redevelopment, but there is a better way. Now Minnesotans can recycle their old buildings instead of sending them to the dump. To create jobs, reduce project costs and reduce waste, homeowners and contractors can choose deconstruction, a greener kind of demolition. A deconstruction work crew safely removes reusable items like cabinets, countertops, appliances, windows, flooring, wood framing, and garage doors, which are then sold.

Then, as workers disassemble the rest of the structure into its component parts, the materials are sent off to be recycled into something new. Shingles become asphalt for new roads, wood scraps become composite board, and metal becomes new cans, or even cars. Most new construction and remodeling happens with old homes — which are especially valuable to recycle.

The revenue gained from materials sold, savings from landfill fees, the environmental tax benefit and the tax credit for the value of materials recycled combine to offset the additional cost of labor and then some. Deconstruction keeps a massive amount of garbage out of the landfills and supports living-wage green jobs for our community.


Senate Secret Santa: Manchin Gives Rubio ‘Coal’


For the last three years, Sen. Al Franken has hosted a “Secret Santa” for his fellow Senators. This year, Sen. Joe Manchin from West Virginia drew Marco Rubio. His gift:

Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., was the only senator to receive coal in his Christmas stocking, but with a twist. He was gifted an elephant statue made of the product from Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin, W.Va., who wanted to proudly show off the wares from his coal-producing home state.


Watch OFA End Global Warming with a Single Tweet


These are the latest two tweets from the 501(c)(4) Organizing for Action, using the president’s old Twitter account @BarackObama:

Amazing. November was the warmest on record, but December is so cold you need a lumberjack onesie and cocoa. 

How ‘Green’ Palm Oil Is Killing Orangutans


horrible piece on how palm-oil plantations are killing orangutans from today’s Guardian.

It’s horrible for two reasons. First, who wants to hear about dead orangutans? And second, the Guardian leaves out how government’s market interference in transportation fuels, mandating the production of palm oil as a “green” biodiesel, gives plantation owners the incentive to refine as much palm oil as possible, rainforest and orangutans be damned.  


Global Warming Creating a Wine Boom in England


From Saturday’s New York Times:

DORKING, England — For more than a decade, Matthieu Elzinga ran his own vineyard in the western Loire Valley of France. But this year, just as he was gaining an international reputation for his dry and crisp Muscadets, Mr. Elzinga sold the vineyard and moved to an emerging wine region: the south of England.

A successful French winemaker’s leap to Britain may sound contrarian — traitorous even. But it may be no more striking than the fact that English sparkling wines have recently been beating Champagnes at international competitions. Or that the British wine industry has been growing at double-digit rates for a decade and doubling in size over the last 30 years.

More obvious, though, may be the meteorological motive that is at least partly behind Mr. Elzinga’s move. By the middle of this century, Britain could become one of the world’s big wine producers, as global warming moves the limits of viticulture ever farther north.

“The wine industry in Europe will certainly change to follow the climate changes,” said Mr. Elzinga, who is now chief winemaker at Denbies Wine Estate, one of Britain’s largest vineyards. “You can’t beat the climate, so you have to follow it.”

Any climate change that benefits the British wine industry is still highly speculative and would not compensate for the broader environmental hazards that many scientists say would accompany continued global warming. And more parochially, the country’s vintners still have many obstacles to overcome, including a cumbersome taxation system and the lingering stereotype that in the land of ales and stouts, English wine simply cannot be taken seriously.

But there is no question that in recent years, British winemaking has benefited from warmer, if more erratic, weather. Britain’s climate is warming faster than the global average, according to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, an international group. In Sussex, in southeast England, the average temperature in 2013 is 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit (1 degree Celsius) warmer than it was for most of the second part of the last century.

According to scientific projections, Britain can expect wetter winters, drier summers and less snow and frost. In this way Britain is joining a list of prospective new wine countries that include China, Russia and even the Scandinavian states.

“Global warming is definitely benefiting the U.K. wine industry,” said Chris Foss, who oversees the wine department at Plumpton College. “My family is from Bordeaux, but I’ve been living in England for 45 years now. The change over time is just amazing. The industry has potential to expand at least five times, if not 10.”

The rest here.

Tesla Buyers in Norway get a $134,000 Tax Break


Whoa. There’s a huge tax break in Norway for buying an electric car. Not surprisingly, Tesla is focusing its sales efforts in Norway, as this tax break — as shown in the graph below — makes the Tesla half the price of its competitors:

The Tesla Model S is exempt from Norway’s steep levies on purchases of fuel-burning vehicles that can double the base price of a car. Thai makes the Model S a relative bargain for the wealthy Norwegians than can afford a six-figure set of wheels. 


The rest from the IBTimes here.

Op-Ed: Climate Change Increases Slavery and Trafficking


The Guardian’s Cameron Conaway writes:  

Climate change and slavery: the perfect storm?

Environmental damage exacerbates poverty, making it easier for poor people to be trafficked. What will campaigners do about it?

You know what else exacerbates poverty? Criminal enterprises posing as governments that are recognized by the U.N. and given all the privileges of U.N. membership. And if you’re really concerned about ending trafficking and slavery, fighting climate change by empowering the quite possibly the most counterproductive way to do it.

The whole thing here.

Greenpeace Warns Global Warming Will Destroy Santa’s Home


If Santa can fly all around the world in one night powered by flying reindeer, I’m pretty sure his magical workshop at the North Pole can survive a few degrees of warming.

Details from Greenpeace here.

Think-Tank Report: U.S. Made 768 Percent on Auto Bailout


It’s like the best investment in America, ever! Via the Los Angeles Times on the report just issued by the “Center for Automotive Research”:

As the federal government gets ready to sell the last of its shares in General Motors Co., a research institute has calculated the final bill on the auto industry bailout and says that taxpayers were net winners. 

The Center for Automotive Research, a Michigan nonprofit organization that analyzes auto industry issues, said Monday that the U.S. government will lose about $13.7 billion on its bailout of GM and Chrysler Group.

But the think tank said those funds “saved or avoided the loss of $105.3 billion in transfer payments and the loss of personal and social insurance tax collections — or 768% of the net investment.”

Additionally, the center said the bailouts and financial restructurings saved about 2.6 million jobs in the U.S. economy in 2009 and $284.4 billion in personal income over 2009 and 2010.

In the report, “The Effect on the U.S. Economy of the Successful Restructuring of General Motors,” researchers Sean McAlinden and Debra Maranger Menk wrote that the value of the bailouts can’t be considered just by what the taxpayers will lose in the sale of GM’s stock.

“Any complete cost-benefit assessment of the federal assistance to GM in its restructuring must consider the total net returns to the public investment in GM in the U.S. economy,” they said. “In other words, the U.S. government is not a simple investor in companies but an active participant, when needed, in the overall U.S. economy on the behalf of all of the U.S. citizenry.”

Let’s hit the pause button for a second. Who is funding the Center for Automotive Research? Not surprisingly, it’s the auto-industry who benefited from the taxpayer funds. 

Maybe a little fact-checking is necessary before the media starts trumpeting this report. 

U.S. No Longer a Shareholder in G.M.


Final damage? A $10 billion loss.


A High-Speed Fail Update from California


California’s judicial branch coming through for California taxpayers. Via the Los Angeles Daily News:

A judge’s decision this week to block the state’s access to billions of dollars in bonds it needs to build a bullet train also threatens the only other pot of money California has to finance the project — $3.3 billion from Uncle Sam.

Just a few days ago, the state’s High-Speed Rail Authority believed it had $8.6 billion in state bond proceeds and $3.3 billion in federal money to begin construction this spring on the rail line’s first stretch of track in the Central Valley.

But now the authority’s ability to spend any of those crucial funds to push the controversial bullet train project forward is highly uncertain.

“The rulings raise so many questions about whether this project still makes financial sense,” said Joe Nation, a public finance professor at Stanford University who called it a “moment of truth” for California.

“This could turn into a real nightmare,” he added.

Even before Monday’s stunning rulings by Sacramento Superior Court Judge Michael Kenny, the project had been mocked as a “train to nowhere” because the state had only enough funding to build about 120 miles of track, from the Fresno-Madera area to the northern outskirts of Bakersfield.

The $8.6 billion in voter-approved state bonds and the $3.3 billion in federal funds represent less than one-fifth of the money needed for the $68.4 billion project. But because of Monday’s rulings and the possibility that federal funding could be pulled back, the money “in hand” could ultimately become pocket change.

The state has already spent more than $700 million on engineering and planning costs from bonds approved by California voters in 2008. But according to an agreement the state signed with the Federal Railroad Administration, the federal government can yank the $3.3 billion it has committed to the project and even force the state to repay $397 million in federal money spent on planning, engineering and administrative costs.

What exactly did they get for $700 million? At the very least, $700 million should buy you a a snazzy website that works 80 percent of the time. . .

AEI’s James Pethokoukis wrote on the above news, “Obama’s bullet train dream just derailed in California.” Let’s hope so. 

But even with funding in doubt, this hasn’t stopped California from shopping for new trains. The shopping trip is complicated, however, because there are certain buy-American and buy-Californian provisions attached to the funding and none of the manufacturers, as of yet, are in California, let alone America. Via the Fresno Bee:

California has yet to break ground on its controversial high-speed train system, and legal challenges remain in the path of construction.

But that’s not stopping the California High-Speed Rail Authority, in conjunction with Amtrak, from shopping around for the best deal on multimillion-dollar trains to roll on their proposed high-speed lines — in California between San Francisco and Los Angeles through the San Joaquin Valley, and Amtrak’s Acela service between Boston and Washington, D.C.

Together, the two agencies are preparing to ask for bids in coming weeks from manufacturers to build between 50 and 60 train sets capable of carrying passengers at speeds up to 220 mph.

From a 34-acre plant in southeast Sacramento, Siemens Industry is one of a handful of multinational companies with an eye on the prize — a contract for “rolling stock” potentially worth $2 billion or more.

Siemens, headquartered in Germany, is one of the key players in the worldwide high-speed rail market. Others include France’s Alstom, Canada’s Bombardier, Spain’s Talgo, Italy’s AnsaldoBreda, Japan’s Hitachi and Nippon Sharyo and Korea’s Hyundai Rotem.

But none of those companies — and no U.S. firms — are building that kind of train in America.

That’s because there are no “high-speed” rail systems, typically defined as 155 mph or faster, operating in the U.S. The closest thing to it, Amtrak’s Acela, runs at a maximum speed of 150 mph for short distances but has an average speed that is closer to 75 mph.

“There are no North American manufacturers of high-speed rail equipment,” said Frank Vacca, chief program manager for the California High-Speed Rail Authority and former chief engineer for Amtrak. “The market for these train sets is in the European and Asian markets” where high-speed trains have been running for decades. Consequently, that is where they are built.

[. . .]

“Buy America” rules on the project will require that whatever company wins the train contract to build them in the U.S., and mostly with American-made parts.

For California’s share of the order, “Buy California” guidelines are also expected to come into play, Vacca said. That could potentially give Siemens a big leg up on its competitors because it already has a manufacturing plant in the state.

Vacca said some companies have plants in the U.S. where they build commuter-rail cars, including sites in Nebraska, Indiana, Wisconsin and New York. “Others don’t have any plants.”

“Our Buy California rule is going to be strongly encouraged so these trains are, at a bare minimum, going to have to be assembled here in California,” Vacca said. “Those that don’t have plants here, we’re going to very strongly suggest that they build a manufacturing plant here in California.”

To sum things up: California has spent $700 million so far and doesn’t have the a) the money to move forward or b) anyone to buy trains from even if it did have the money to move forward. 



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