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DERB FOR THE AGES [John Derbyshire] I have made the following online dictionary of quotations -- with a Corner posting! (I'm right there between Chauncey Depew and Rene Descartes.) Posted at 01:47 PM RE: ONOMASTICS WATCH [John Derbyshire] From a reader named Roger: "Mr. Derbyshire---Actually, Bates Gill has been around quite a while doing "(perky annoying secretary) Your name is Michael Bolton? "(grumbling reply) Yes "(perky annoying secretary) Any relation to the singer? "(grumbling reply) No, it's just a coincidence. "(cube mate) I don't know why you get so discouraged. There's nothing wrong "(M. Bolton) There WAS nothing wrong with my name. Until I was about 12 "(cube mate) Well, why don't you just go by Mike then? "(M. Bolton) Why should I change MY name? He's the one that sucks." Somehow, after Microsoft Windows has crashed for the umpteenth time at CSIS, Posted at 01:39 PM NOT SO BEAUTIFUL [Andrew Stuttaford] One of the most remarkable aspects of the current conflict with militant Islam is the way in which it has revealed the self-loathing that runs through so much of the western intelligentsia. Here’s Roberto Benigni, the actor/director of Life is Beautiful. Now he’s making a movie about the Iraq war. The BBC has more. “In a further interview on Italian Rai TV, Benigni criticised the West's role in the Iraq violence. "Westerners are running the show, all of those doing these things have studied in the West, it is not the Easterners. We know how many dreams the East gives, and how grateful we are to the East and love all its beautiful things." What a statement. Not only is it utterly inaccurate, it also simultaneously manages to denigrate the West and patronize the East. Its real objective? To show Benigni’s moral superiority over the rest of us. Posted at 12:40 PM CROOKS [Andrew Stuttaford] Marta Andreassen was the EU’s chief accountant. In 2002 she went public with a statement of the blindingly obvious : that the EU’s systems were open to corruption. She’s about to get her reward. Posted at 12:36 PM NO SPIN ZONE [Andrew Stuttaford] Britain’s Tories, still wrestling with the problem of how, um, to actually win something have just been pushed into fourth place in a by-election (a special election) for a seat in the British parliament behind the anti-EU, but more than a touch odd, UK Independence Party. Here is the response by the Conservative’s defense spokesman: “A f***ing awful result.” Refreshing. Posted at 11:47 AM GRAHAM GREENE - HIS CENTENARY TODAY [Andrew Stuttaford] Flawed, fascinating – and, for this, eternal gratitude: the man responsible for dreaming up the greatest film ever made. “Major Calloway (Trevor Howard): That sounds like a cheap novelette.” “Holly Martins (Joseph Cotten): Well, I write cheap novelettes.” Posted at 11:39 AM DIXIE CUPCAKES [Andrew Stuttaford] Here, on Reason’s website is this from Julian Sanchez: "I just saw the Dixie Chicks on Bill Maher claiming that "corporate bans" on their music (i.e. stations deciding not to run their music for a while) were "against the Constitution." Can they possibly have been involved in this whole bruhaha for this long and not found one person to explain how the First Amendment works?" Well, they might have found someone to explain. Whether they could have understood is an entirely different question. Posted at 11:31 AM ONOMASTICS WATCH [John Derbyshire] "According to Bates Gill of the Centre for Strategic and International Whoa! "Bates Gill"? Is that some kind of bizarro version of the great Or are the Pod People taking over? Shall I wake up tomorrow and find that Or do I just need another cup of coffee? Posted at 10:04 AM SCALIA CORRECTION [Stanley Kurtz] It seems I misunderstood the information I received earlier on Justice Scalia's speech. Of course, the remarks were taken out of context, exactly as I and Ed Whelan have said. But the text of the speech as a whole is not for public release. Apparently, Justice Scalia has made a copy of the speech available to the Supreme Court's public information office strictly for purposes of clarifying the misinterpretation of the lines in question. But the speech as a whole is not for public release in printed form. My apologies for the misunderstanding. Posted at 10:03 AM BUSH CAMPAIGN LAPTOPS STOLEN IN WASHINGTON STATE [KJL] Posted at 09:47 AM CRAPPY FURNITURE KILLS [KJL] Three die in a stampede at the opening of the first Saudi Ikea. Before Ikea execs complain--I have purchased said furniture in my time. It's a term of endearment. Posted at 09:44 AM "KERRY....IS A VIRTUAL WALKING UNITED NATIONS" [KJL] October Suprise: John Kerry is a descendent of the Prophet Mohammad. Posted at 09:41 AM THE WASHINGTON WHATEVERS [John J. Miller] Washington's new baseball team probably will have to wait a while before it gets a name, as Bud Selig says he wants the new owners (who haven't bought the team yet) to decide. The Washington Post is running a poll here. The clear frontrunner is the Senators, a traditional choice. The clear second-place option is the Grays, another traditional but less-known name. Then there's the rest of the pack, which includes the Washington Monuments, a name that tends to make the rounds when D.C. has a sports-name competition (as it did a few years ago when basketball's Bullets become the Wizards). The Washington Cicadas is sort of interesting, but I can hear the jokes now ("a winning season every 17 years"). And here's an interesting one: the Washington Filibusters. I like the congressional reference as well as the historical one. (Wouldn't it be neat if the Washington Filibusters played a series in a liberated Havana?) But there's a nickname problem: What are we supposed to call them? The Fillies? Or the Busters? Posted at 07:19 AM MOORE MONEY [John J. Miller] The cost of tuition at George Mason University (in-state, one semester, full schedule): $2,724. The cost of bringing Michael Moore to GMU as a speaker: $35,000. The cost of watching GMU cancel Moore's appearance after learning of his exorbitant fees: Priceless. Posted at 06:28 AM Friday, October 01, 2004 THE ACLU [Ramesh Ponnuru] Having spun much of the press on the claim that part of the Patriot Act was struck down in court the other day, the ACLU is now furious that Orin Kerr at volokh.com has managed mostly to un-spin it. Look carefully at the press release, and you'll see that the ACLU doesn't really even try to maintain that the court struck down any legal change that was made by the Patriot Act. Now this is, as Kerr noted in his first post on the media misrepresentation of the case, a side-issue: Whether the court made the right decision is more important than what relation that decision had to the Patriot Act. But the ACLU seems to think that it's politically important to make people think that Patriot has taken a hit, and it just hasn't. Posted at 04:24 PM DO REPUBLICANS [Ramesh Ponnuru] only care about people before they're born? Kevin Miller on an old saw from pro-life (and, for that matter, pro-choice) liberals. Posted at 04:13 PM BUSH IN ALLENTOWN [Ramesh Ponnuru] This morning--he sounds much better than he did last night. Excerpts: "My opponent last night said our troops deserve better. They certainly deserve better than they got from Senator Kerry when he voted to send them to war, and then voted against funding our troops in combat. . . . "You may remember his famous quote about the supplemental funding that I sent up to Congress. He said: I actually did vote for the $87 billion, right before I voted against it. . . . Last night, he said he made a mistake in how he talked about that vote. But the mistake wasn't what Senator Kerry said. The mistake was what Senator Kerry did. . . . "He said he was proud of his vote. And, finally, he said the whole thing was a complicated matter. Then he had a new wrinkle, a new explanation. During an interview this week, he described it as a protest vote. "When we put American troops in harm's way, they certainly deserve better than to have a candidate for President use them as a protest. "Last night, Senator Kerry only continued his pattern of confusing contradictions. After voting for the war, after saying my decision to remove Saddam Hussein from power was the right decision -- (applause) -- he now says it was all a mistake. "But asked a logical question, does that mean our troops are dying for a mistake? [AUDIENCE: No!] "That's what he said, no. You can't have it both ways. You can't say it's a mistake and not a mistake. You can't be for getting rid of Saddam Hussein when things look good, and against it when times are hard. You can't claim terrorists are pouring across the border into Iraq, yet at the same time try to claim that Iraq is somehow a diversion for war against terrorism. The President cannot keep changing his mind. The President must speak clearly. And the President must mean what he says. . . . "The cornerstone of Senator Kerry's plan for Iraq is that he would convene a summit. "I've been to a lot of summits. I've never seen a meeting that would depose a tyrant, or bring a terrorist to justice. . . . "One other point I want to make about the debate last night. Senator Kerry last night said that America has to pass some sort of global test before we can use American troops to defend ourselves. He wants our national security decisions subject to the approval of a foreign government. "Listen, I'll continue to work with our allies and the international community -- but I will never submit America's national security to an international test. The use of troops to defend America must never be subject to a veto by countries like France. The President's job is not to take an international poll -- the President's job is to defend America." Posted at 04:09 PM FREED ITALIAN HOSTAGE DEFENDS TERRORISTS [KJL] Posted at 03:59 PM RE: HOME COMPUTER NETWORK [John Derbyshire] Wow! What a readership! My "Home network" in-folder just went over 300, and they are still coming in. God bless you all, and I am going to spend my weekend perusing your advice. From the ones I've seen so far, there are opinions on both sides (i.e. wireless and cable), but there are also factors I hadn't thought of (e.g. comparative SPEED, TV access, etc.) & the topic needs some careful weighing. At any rate, thanks to you readers, I probably have the world's best database of experienced advice on this topic. Many thanks to all. Posted at 03:57 PM KERRY VS. KERRY [KJL] Posted at 03:44 PM NRO COLUMNIST CATHY SEIPP IS ON DENNIS MILLER TONIGHT, FYI [KJL] Frequent contributor Carrie Lukas was on last night, but I found out too late to mention, apologies--heard it was good though! Posted at 03:41 PM RE MT. ST. HELENS ERUPTING [Cliff May] This would not be happening had Bush and Cheney done better planning. But what an appropriate occasion for a – you guessed it – summit meeting. Posted at 03:40 PM BOOKCASE BLUES [Jack Fowler] NRites and NROians are, if nothing else, readers, every year consuming gobs of books and papers and anything else that holds or projects the written word. I know one fine Corner denizen with so many volumes that he rents warehouse space to keep his massive (and growing) collection. Alas, no conservative’s bookcase is truly complete unless its sagging shelves contain a personally autographed copy of Bill Buckley’s critically acclaimed literary autobiography, Miles Gone By. This book is a keepsake, all the more so with WFB’s trademark red signature adorning the title page. Get your copy here . Posted at 03:25 PM LT. SMASH VS. ARMCHAIR GENERAL KERRY [KJL] Posted at 03:18 PM MT. ST. HELENS IS EVIDENTLY ERUPTING [KJL] Posted at 03:13 PM MORE SCALIA [Stanley Kurtz] Kathryn, I’m now told that Justice Scalia has given a copy of the text of his speech to the Supreme Court’s public information office. So if people want to see the context for themselves, they can. More important, they will find a powerful and timely speech on the problem of our courts by Justice Scalia. Posted at 03:11 PM MEET THE PRESS [KJL] Kate will be on Sunday. Posted at 03:05 PM KERRYSPOT GOES BACK TO TORA BORA [KJL] Posted at 02:40 PM RE: SCALIA [Stanley Kurtz] Kathryn, re the Scalia remarks, I just received the following comment from Ed Whelan, President of the Ethics and Public Policy Center in Washington DC, where Scalia made the remarks I heard: Justice Scalia gave a speech here on Sept. 20. (That’s the one Stanley Kurtz attended.) In that speech, he made the point that even if one were to adopt arguendo the assumption that orgies are socially beneficial, that assumption wouldn’t entitle judges to strike down laws against orgies. As a former clerk of his, I am certain that he made this same arguendo point at Harvard. Evidently it was a tad too subtle for the Crimson reporter. Posted at 02:34 PM FACTCHECK [Mark R. Levin] I don't mean to be picky, but another of Kerry's factual errors includes his statement that the Korean War armistice occurred in 1952; it was signed on July 27, 1953. Posted at 02:28 PM INVADING TUNISIA [Cliff May] Germany did indeed declare war on the US after Pearl Harbor. But the US was already at war with Saddam in 2003. The Gulf War never ended – there was only a ceasefire. Saddam continued to claim that he had won the Gulf War, that the US had been defeated, as demonstrated, for instance, by the fact that he was still in power while George H.W. Bush had been removed from office. There are monuments in Iraq celebrating this great victory. Saddam never complied with the obligations he undertook in order to establish the ceasefire. That should have rendered the ceasefire null and void. That could have been the path on which Bush proceeded to renewed hostilities. Instead he went to the UN for its blessings and got resolution 1441, in which the entire Security Council agreed that Saddam had not accounted for the WMD he was known to have had. The resolution states that if Saddam did not fulfill his obligations immediately, serious consequences must follow. And that’s what happened. Posted at 01:54 PM TRUST BUT VERIFY [Jim Robbins] Note also this detail about Acheson's 1962 mission to de Gaulle -- after saying he did not need to see the evidence of Soviet offensive weapons in Cuba, the French President spent some time inspecting the photographs very carefully. A CIA report on the meeting can be found here. Posted at 01:46 PM SPAIN MOVES TOWARD GAY MARRIAGE [KJL] Posted at 01:35 PM "A SWAGGERING CANON OF IDEOLOGY" [Jonathan H. Adler] That's the Yale Free Press. I was editor of the YFP way back when -- shortly after it's revival in the late 1980s -- but it's grown up quite a bit since then. Posted at 01:34 PM GAULLISTS FOR BUSH [Jim Robbins] From the New York Times, October 28, 1962, during the Cuban Missile Crisis: "The American action coincides with the prevailing view in French government circles, beginning with President de Gaulle, that firmness and steady nerves constitute the best formula for dealing with Soviet threats. This has been the unswerving French line whenever a question has been raised of rushing to a summit meeting to negotiate." Looks like de Gaulle would not have thought much of Kerry's insistance that summitry is the highest art of diplomacy. Posted at 01:27 PM SEAL FIGHTS [Jonathan H. Adler] Don't worry Jonah. I'm sure that sort of thing is illegal in California. (But if you want to talk about misleading headlines for Corner posts . . .). Posted at 01:25 PM HOME COMPUTER NETWORK -- A BLEG [John Derbyshire] I am in the early planning stages of upgrading the Derb computers. Final result will be a home network (in my 3-storey house -- computers on all 3 floors). Naturally I've been thinking of a wireless home network. However, because of some remodeling I'm doing, it would be no big thing to "fish" cables through all the necessary wall cavities. Seems to me a cable network would be more robust and secure than a wireless one. But is that right? Is the difference worth bothering with? Shall I end up paying more for my machines with cable connectors, since manufacturers assume everyone wants wireless nowadays? If my desktops are all cable-connected, can I still network in a wireless laptop? Any brief, knowledgeable comments much appreciated. To olimu@optonline.net, please, with subject line WIRELESS OR CABLE. Thank you in advance. Posted at 01:15 PM RE: ALL HAIL CHARLES DE GAULLE [Jack Fowler] The supposed hunky-doriness of U.S.-French relations that Senator Kerry pined for in last night’s debate is trés bogus. This is from the September 18, 1995 issue of Time: Last May, finally, enter the tanned, energetic Jacques Chirac, eager to reassert raison d’etat and make a splash, unfortunately too literally. Chirac, though, was acting totally in national character. Daring to be different is nothing new for France, where galling allies is as enduring a national pastime as boules. Winston Churchill, who was host to Charles de Gaulle after the majority of his guest’s countrymen had capitulated to the Nazis, grumbled famously that of all the wartime crosses he bore, the heaviest was the Free French leader’s Cross of Lorraine. It didn’t help that De Gaulle constantly nattered on about how France was the “light of the world; its destiny is to illuminate the universe.” General Dwight Eisenhower managed to avoid gagging, but did complain that of all the Allies he was supremely commanding, “those damn French” were by far the most nettlesome.Makes your blood boil. By the way 1: If we should remember anything about France, the U.S., and John Kerry, it should be how he was there in the early 1970s playing diplomat-wanna-be with Viet Cong. By the way 2: I can’t wait to read John Miller’s book. Posted at 01:11 PM RE: BUSTED? [Ramesh Ponnuru] (I'm referring to Rich's 8:18 am post.) I don't see why Bush couldn't have said something along these lines: "Far from being a setback to our campaign to keep rogue states from going nuclear, developing low-yield nuclear weapons is an indispensable part of that campaign. We have to be able to hit weapons they've hidden underground. And we have to have an option between dropping a big bomb and doing nothing. John Kerry is letting his knee-jerk left-wing instincts get in the way of national security here." How hard was that? Posted at 12:55 PM YET MORE ON POLAND [Jim Robbins] I think it is a good time to remind people about the history of Polish assistance to new democracies, in particular the contribution made by Tadeusz Kosciuszko , George Washington's Chief Engineer, a hero of Saratoga, architect and first commander of West Point. There is a monument to him overlooking the Hudson and another in Lafayette Park. His remarkable contributions show that mere numbers aren't everything -- and I'll take the 4,000 Poles in Iraq over ten times the number of Kerry's alleged international supporters. Posted at 12:50 PM NEGATIVISM [Ramesh Ponnuru] I'm getting emails like the ones Derb describes, from people who think we were too tough on Bush last night. The snap polls suggested that most people thought Bush lost--although they didn't change their minds about the race. The Bush campaign seems to think he lost, too. (Ryan Lizza reports from Spin Alley last night: "Across the room, White House communications director Dan Bartlett, beads of sweat glistening on his forehead, resorts to a very odd line of spin. He lowers expectations for Bush after the debate is already over. 'President Bush spoke the only way he knows how,' he says. 'He's never been labeled the most eloquent and articulate speaker.'") Posted at 12:47 PM THE I-HOPE-LEDEEN-WASN'T-WATCHING MOMENT OF THE DEBATE [KJL] KErry on Iran: "I think the United States should have offered the opportunity to provide the nuclear fuel, test them, see whether or not they were actually looking for it for peaceful purposes. If they weren't willing to work a deal, then we could have put sanctions together" Posted at 12:46 PM LIBYA DEMANDS PERMANENT U.N. SEAT [KJL] Posted at 12:42 PM ANOTHER THING ON POLAND [Jim Robbins] A reader writes: "LOTS of Polish-American voters in Ohio, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, and Minnesota. I wonder how they like Kerry dissing Poland?" Great point. Poland may not be good enough for Kerry's "Grand Coalition" but I hope Polish Americans send Kerry a message. Posted at 12:38 PM SCALIA'S ORGIES [Stanley Kurtz] Kathryn, the Drudge link on the Scalia remarks isn’t working right now, but I was at a talk recently where Justice Scalia did make a comment of the kind being quoted. It’s ridiculous to think he meant it literally. As I recall, Scalia was simply giving a kind of reductio ad absurdum example of the sort of legal reasoning he disagrees with. No one in the room thought he was actually advocating orgies. Posted at 12:37 PM TAKE A LOOK, CLICK, SIGN UP [KJL] We have a bunch of new ads up around NRO. Check out the homepage: Club for Growth video. Committee on the Present Danger free journal and more. They're interesting, informative, and help NRO. Posted at 12:35 PM GIVE LOCKHART THE AXE, SHE SINGS [KJL ] Cher gives Bob Shrum campaign advice. Posted at 12:08 PM YET MORE RE: INVADING MEXICO [Peter Robinson] From yet another fine reader: [Kerry's] remark was even more moronic than you imply. What was the first country FDR invaded after Pearl Harbor? Tunisia! Posted at 12:07 PM RE: INVADING MEXICO [Peter Robinson] From a reader: You can take that one step further. If FDR had followed the Kerry plan, we wouldn’t be going after Japan so much as those pilots who were flying those planes over Pearl Harbor. I can almost hear Kerry circa 1944, “it’s been three years and those pilots are all still at large!” Posted at 12:06 PM SECONDHAND READ ON SCALIA [KJL] I'm getting a lot of e-mails from people worried about Scalia's orgy comment. My guess is it was sarcasm of some sort that went over everyone's head. As one person familiar with the justice and his personality noted this morning: "To paraphrase Justice Scalia in MCI v. AT&T, there is such a thing as sarcasm. " [Ref: "It might be good English to say that the French Revolution 'modified' the status of the French nobility -- but only because there is a figure of speech called understatement and a literary device known as sarcasm." MCI v AT&T, 512 US 218 (1994). ] Posted at 12:02 PM INVADING MEXICO [Andrew Stuttaford] Pedantic point, Peter, but I seem to recall that Germany declared war on the US - not the other way round. Posted at 11:58 AM MORE GLOBAL TEST [Rich Lowry] If you're into the global test exchange, here's your video. Posted at 11:52 AM ALL HAIL CHARLES DE GAULLE [John J. Miller] My new book -- Our Oldest Enemy: A History of America's Disastrous Relationship with France, co-authored by Mark Molesky -- official comes out on Tuesday. NRO is scheduled to run a few excerpts next week. Meanwhile, I've set up a website -- oldestenemy.com -- that features a news blog. Since the current topic on The Corner is last night's debate, I thought I'd share today's posting: John Kerry told a seriously misleading story about Franco-American relations in last night's presidential debate. "We can remember when President Kennedy in the Cuban missile crisis sent his secretary of state to Paris to meet with de Gaulle. And in the middle of the discussion, to tell them about the missiles in Cuba, he said, 'Here, let me show you the photos.' And DeGaulle waved them off and said, 'No, no, no, no. The word of the president of the United States is good enough for me.'" First of all, Kerry botched a detail. JFK didn't send his own secretary of state; he sent Dean Acheson, who was Truman's. (Kerry knows this, because he told this part of the tale correctly in his NYU speech.) But more important, Kerry tried to invoke a golden age of Franco-American friendship which in fact is a myth. It certainly didn't exist when de Gaulle was around. No American president cared for the French leader. FDR called him "unreliable, uncooperative, and disloyal." Truman branded him an "SOB." And in the 1960s, Acheson publicly said de Gaulle was not "a dependable or effective ally." It is accurate to say de Gaulle was marginally helpful during the Cuban Missile Crisis, but it's wrong to suggest that all was sweetness and light between the United States and Gaullist France during the Cold War--when de Gaulle was quitting NATO and condemning American involvement in Vietnam. If Kerry wants to improve relations with France, he has chosen a poor model. Posted at 11:50 AM ANOTHER TAKE [Ramesh Ponnuru] on the debates, this one from the futures markets. Posted at 11:43 AM GLOBAL TEST ALL OVER W'S ALLENTOWN RALLY RIGHT NOW [KJL] "The presidents job is not to take an international poll. The president's job is to defend America." Posted at 11:40 AM DESPERATELY SEEKING BOW WOW [Peter Robinson] Father of five seeks poodle puppy--and, since it turns out that puppies are for some unknown reason harder to find than they were when he was a kid himself, seeks puppy desperately. Must be poodle. (We have some allergy problems in the house, and poodles don't shed. And all the books say that poodles are smart, a critical point, since wife insists on a pet with the brains to get with the program.) Anyone who can recommend a breeder in the Bay Area will be thanked as a delivering angel. Posted at 11:39 AM KERRY'S SMIRK [Jim Robbins] One thing that greatly annoyed me during the debate was when Senator Kerry was dissing our Coalition partners in Iraq in his usual way. The President said, "You forgot Poland" and Kerry smirked. His contempt was clearly visible. Just more evidence he is not up to the job of diplomat in chief. Posted at 11:37 AM INVADING MEXICO [Peter Robinson] One good thing--maybe the only good thing--about engaging in shouting matches on the tube every so often is whenever I do so I learn something surprising. This morning? With an air of utter confidence and superiority, Phil Angelides repeated Kerry's line last night that if you believe we should have invaded Iraq after 9/11 you must also believe that FDR should have invaded Mexico after the attack on Pearl Harbor. I'd thought the line so fatuous when Kerry used it last night that I was sure I'd never hear it again. But the Kerry folks must think it's a winner. Astounding, no? I mean, the answer is obvious. If you believe we shouldn't have invaded Iraq, going to war only with fully signed-up members of al Qaeda, then you must also believe that FDR shouldn't have gone to war with Germany, limiting himself to Japan. Posted at 11:36 AM FOR SAMUEL BECKETT FANS [John Derbyshire] This is perfect. Posted at 11:35 AM RE: KOB [KJL] Here's where the Kerry blog picked that up last night, out of context, as noted here. Posted at 11:31 AM NO CONTEXT [Mark R. Levin] But the media and Democrats are NOT providing Kate's full statement, just her first sentence, which is all that's being circulated by the Kerryites. Posted at 11:28 AM SHWEEOOO [Jonah Goldberg] Jon Adler's post headlined "LA SEAL FIGHT JOINED" conjured a completely different mental image than what he intended. I was picturing two seals in a pit with crowds of wagering Los Angelinos cheering-on the poor creatures when suddenly....oh never mind. Posted at 11:26 AM AROUND TOWN: ON DEBATE AND MORE [KJL] David Yepsen: "Narrow Victory" for Kerry John Podhoretz: Booooooorrrring. Hugh Hewitt: "Disaster for Kerry" Fred Barnes: Won't Change Race Dynamics Lilleks: " Summits are convened not to solve a problem but solve the perception that there is a problem. " Cliff May: Were Other Iraq Options Better? Dave Shiflett: A Baptist-bashing Crawford, Texas, newspaper endorses Kerry. Posted at 11:24 AM KATE'S WORDS [Jonah Goldberg] Peter - Alas, the DNC was monitoring the Corner last night and shortly after the debate ended their talking points included comments from several of us. I am sure some folks will say -- a la Derb's correspondents who want us to deny Bush's poor speaking skills -- that this means we shouldn't speak our minds around here. But that's a non-starter. Posted at 11:22 AM KATE, YOUR WORDS GET AROUND [Peter Robinson] Just appeared on the Fox affiliate out here in San Francisco, discussing the debate with Phil Angelides, the state treasurer and a co-chairman of Kerry's campaign in California. Angelides's opening remark? "Kerry won the debate, but don't take my word for it. Kate O'Beirne, who writes for the very conservative National Review magazine, said she thought Bush was repetitive and tongue-tied." I was prepared to attack Angelides, of course, but attack the Blessed Kate? I found myself reduced to stammering an agreement that Bush had had better nights. Let the record show that Kate O'Beirne owes Peter Robinson a beer. Posted at 11:18 AM THE POST-DEBATE [Ramesh Ponnuru] After the first presidential debate in 2000, the Bush campaign managed to win the spin war by making an issue out of Gore's fibs/lies. This time around, the media is unlikely to be as receptive to the Bush campaign message--the journalistic consensus is that the media was too easy on Bush and hard on Gore. (I know, I know.) But the debate seems to me to have given the Bush campaign more to work with than the Kerry campaign got. Was there an equivalent of the "global test" moment for Bush, for example? I don't think so. Posted at 11:13 AM RE: MOORE'S MOOLAH [Jonah Goldberg] What really bothers me about Moore's speaking fee is that a couple schools have booked me as a conservative counterweight to Moore. Balance, diversity, etc etc. Now, I don't really care what the motives of these administrators if it gets me booked -- even if I find disgusting the notion that I'm anything like Michael Moore. However, $35 Grand! I get a lot less than that. Talk about buying ideological diversity on the cheap! Posted at 11:07 AM FRANKS V. KERRY [Jonathan H. Adler] Instapundit reports Gen. Tommy Franks disputed Kerry's claims on Tora Bora. Posted at 11:06 AM L.A. SEAL FIGHT JOINED [Jonathan H. Adler] The Claremont Institute's Center for Constitutional Jurisprudence is challenging the city of Los Angeles' decision to remove the cross from its public seal. The seal change was prompted by a suit from liberal activists claiming the cross constituted a violation of the Constitution's establishment clause. Claremont claims this is a misreading of the clause, and that altering the seal is a colossal waste of taxpayer funds. Posted at 11:05 AM ACLU MISLED THE PRESS [Jonathan H. Adler] Orin Kerr identifies the probable reason most of the press got the "Patriot Act" case wrong: The ACLU press release claimed their lawsuit invalidated a major part of the Patriot Act, even though it didn't. Posted at 11:04 AM OATH BREAKERS UNITE! [Jonathan H. Adler] Eddie Lazarus famously broke his oath of confidentiality as a Supreme COurt clerk when he wrote the book Closed Chambers about his time at the Court. Now he's defending the group of Supreme Court clerks who (anonymously) broke their oaths to talk to Vanity Fair about Bush v. Gore. To future Court clerks who may be similarly inclined, Feddie offers some sound advice: "If your politics mean more to you than your honor, then don't accept a judicial clerkship." Posted at 11:03 AM PARENTAL JOYS [Jack Fowler] There’s something truly special about tucking in the young ones and reading them a short story, as they look on, smiling, eyes drooping, happily envisioning the little drama. A kiss on the forehead follows, and it’s off to sweet dreams. We have published a delightful book, The National Review Treasury of Classic Bedtime Stories, that is perfect for these special nighttime moments and that will bring much enjoyment to the little ones in your life. This 360-page book collects ten of Thornton Burgess’s wholesome tales (every one has a clear lesson) of the beloved critters and creatures (Peter Rabbit, Jimmy Skunk, Reddy Fox, and so many more) of the Green Meadows, the Green Forest, the Laughing Brook, and the Brier Patch. Each one of the 10 “adventures” – illustrated by the renowned Harrison Cady – comes in 24 or so chapters, and is ideal for bedtime reading (two or three chapters each night before lights out) by you to your children or grandchildren. The book is also perfect for first- through third-graders who are beginning readers. Burgess’s stories delighted millions of American children over half a century, and we have happily republished them so today’s children can enjoy and learn from them. Every child deserves a good book, especially one a parent or grandparent can trust, so we encourage you to give the special little ones in your life The National Review Treasury of Classic Bedtime Stories. It can be ordered here. And don’t forget that when you purchase any of our “Treasury” titles, you will receive a free copy of Queen Zixi of Ix, or The Story of the Magic Cloak, the story the great L. Frank Baum (author of the classic “Oz” books) said was his best work. Posted at 10:59 AM RFK JR. AT CASE [Jonathan H. Adler] Speaking of celebrities who make false and misleading claims when they speak at college campuses, my critique of RFK Jr.'s speech at Case Western Reserve University last night, and Leonardo DiCaprio's introduction, is here. Posted at 10:58 AM GOOD JOB GMU! [Jonathan H. Adler] George Mason University has rescinded an invitation to Michael Moore to speak on campus. Moore is still free to come to GMU to speak -- as he says he intends to do -- he just won't receive a $35,000 check from a public university for doing so. Moore's been speaking on many college campuses arounf the country trying to increase voter turnout for Kerry. Among other things, Moore has been telling college students that reelecting Bush means the draft will be reinstated. Posted at 10:55 AM RE: GWB ON STAGE [John Derbyshire] A reader who has been spending too much time listening to Dr. Arbuthnot: "Mr. Derbyshire---It's all very well to criticize the man's speaking skills, but public speaking isn't easy, you know. It's tough. It's hard work..." Posted at 10:53 AM FRUSTRATION [KJL] The video on the DNC website, showing Bush's frustration during the debate: Is so silly. It's cheap feed for Bush haters, but useless otherwise, I would think. It actually makes me feel Bush's pain/disgust. It makes me feel better about last night! Posted at 10:46 AM BYRON'S ON LAURA INGRAHAM (NOWISH) [KJL] Posted at 10:32 AM GWB ON STAGE [John Derbyshire] A reader in the Old Dominion state: "John---I can't agree more. I love Bush to death, but he does make me nervous when he speaks. I also grew up cursed to be a Red Sox fan, and honestly, when I watch Bush, it's like watching the Red Sox with a one run lead going into the late innings of a playoff game: You just know they are probably going to screw up so you don't even want to watch. Last night, I got that same feeling." Well said, Sir. But who are these "Red Sox"? Posted at 10:31 AM "INTELLIGENT, BUT DEEPLY FLAWED LEADER" [KJL] I like this take, coming from GOPer this ayem: Kerry needed to dominate this debate. He is an orator and, more importantly, styles himself as such. The fact that he, like Gore, was unable to humiliate our "simpleton president" means he lost. Posted at 10:27 AM SPEAKING GIG [Jonah Goldberg] I'm going to be giving a speech at Cornell this Monday evening. I will post details either later today or over the weekend. Be there or be rhomboid. And I'm sorry for not announcing this earlier, but there was some confusion which is neither interesting nor relevant. Posted at 10:22 AM SCIFI POINTS [KJL] Just want to note I opened the gate to George Lucas this morning. Posted at 10:17 AM LOCKHART [KJL] seems to be focused on Bush's "smirk "this morning. Hard-hitting morning-after work. Posted at 10:10 AM HAIL TO THE CHIEF [John Derbyshire] Gotta admit, I'm getting mighty irritated by readers who think it's outrageous, disloyal, unpatriotic, or something to criticize Pres. Bush and his speaking skills. Listen: GEORGE W. BUSH IS A SIMPLY TERRIBLE PUBLIC SPEAKER. There now. He's a good man and a good President. I shall be voting for him in November, and shall do all that I can, within the bounds of truth and integrity, to help him win. That includes (in my view) hammering away at him to improve on his weaknesses. Though I like GWB and shall be voting for him, I do not believe that the sun shines out from his shirt sleeves. I have never believed that about any national leader. If I were the kind of person who *did* believe that kind of thing, I should go to live in North Korea. Posted at 09:59 AM INTERESTING [KJL] More of what Bush camp is noting: How important is “winning” the first debate? Since 1984, when Gallup began asking the question, “Regardless of which candidate you happen to support, who do you think did the better job in the debate?”, only one candidate to win this measure in the first debate went on to be elected. In 1996, Bill Clinton “won” the first debate and went on to be elected President. Candidates Gore, Perot, Dukakis, and Mondale all “won” their first debates, but failed to win election. Sept. 30, 2004: Kerry 53/ Bush 37 (-16) Oct. 3, 2000: Gore 48/Bush 41 (-7) Oct. 6, 1996 Clinton 51/Dole 32 (-19) Oct. 11, 1992 Perot: 47/Clinton 30/ Bush 16 (-17, -31) Sept. 28, 1998 Dukakis 38/ Bush 29 (-9) Sept. 28-30, 1984 Mondale 54/Reagan 35 (-19) That 84 example is a tad relief. Posted at 09:55 AM THIS IS ANNOYING, BUT, AGAIN, NOT DEVASTATING, I THINK [KJL] How has your opinion of John Kerry/George W. Bush been affected by the debate? Is your opinion of Kerry -- more favorable, less favorable, or has it not changed much? [Names rotated.] More Favorable: Kerry 46%/Bush 21 Less Favorable: Kerry 13/Bush 17 Not Changed Much: Kerry 41/ Bush 62 Here's the Gallup link. Posted at 09:45 AM BUSH: NOT A GREAT SPEAKER, BUT A LEADER [KJL] Looking at Gallup’s post debate polling: ***Demonstrated he is tough enough for the job Bush 54/ Kerry 37 ***Likable Bush 48/Kerry 41 ***Believable Bush 48 / Kerry 45 ***Agreed with you more on the issues you care about Bush 49/ Kerry 46 ***Had a good understanding of the issues 41/41 ***Expressed himself more clearly Bush 32/Kerry 60 On Iraq: Before Debate: 54 said the president would do a better job handling Iraq than Kerry (40) After: 54/43 More, lifted from Bush-campaign readings: John Kerry failed to improve his ratings on “handling the responsibilities of Commander-in-Chief”. Prior to the start of the debate, 55% of voters said they trusted the President with the responsibilities of commander in chief while 42% trusted Kerry. After the debate, 54% trust Bush and 44% trust Kerry (Gallup). Posted at 09:42 AM SOME POLLING POINTS (COMING FROM W CAMP) [KJL] According to the ABC News overnight survey, President Bush’s 4-point lead remains. Before the debate, President Bush led John Kerry 50% to 46%, and after the debate, he led 51% to 47%. Posted at 09:32 AM MORE BIG PICTURE [KJL] A former admin type this morning: " If the campaign does its job right, then we'll be ok since Kerry was all over the board in his message last night. 'Plan,' 'summit,' were the 'lockbox' of this year's debate." Posted at 09:27 AM INTERVIEW -- THE CLICHE EXPERT [John Derbyshire] [Our special correspondent John Derbyshire interviewed the third party candidate Aloysius Arbuthnot the other day. Dr. Arbuthnot is the candidate for the Cliche Party. We shall be publishing the transcript of this interview in instalments.] D--Mr. Arbuthnot, I understand you are running as a third-party candidate in November. A--That's correct, Mr. Derbyshire. I feel the American people should have a choice. D--Perhaps you could explain some of your positions to us. Iraq, for instance. What will you do? A--I have a plan. We need strong alliances. That's what I learned in Vietnam. D--I see. But aren't things going rather badly there right now? A--It's tough. It's hard work. I understand how hard it is. D--Uh-huh. Do you think the major candidates are addressing this properly? A--No. They are not being candid with the American people. D--So let me get this clear. Do you think the war was a mistake in the first place? A--The world is safer without Saddam Hussein. D--Undoubtedly. But what do we do now? A--We don't have enough troops there. But I have a plan to bring them home. D--If the world is safer without Saddam Hussein, wouldn't it be even safer without Kim Jong Il? A--We need a new dialogue with North Korea. Bilateral. Multilateral. Quadrilateral. Heptagonal. Duodecagonal. D--But what's the point of dialogue if they won't honor agreements? A--It's tough. It's hard work.... [To be continued] Posted at 09:25 AM KERRY'S WEAKNESS [John J. Miller] Kerry's arguments on Iraq last night seemed to boil down to one simple point: "I'm not him!" (i.e., he's not Bush). I'm still confused about what Kerry thinks about Iraq, and that's just on the basis of what we heard last night. At one point, he talked to the parents of soldiers and told them he wants to bring their kids back home. At another point, he suggested that we need to stay in past the six-month drawdown he's previously proposed. So, which is it senator? More troops or less? Stay in for the long haul or withdraw? ("I'm not him! I'm not him!") Bush, by contrast, described how the commander in chief faces no more difficult decision than committing troops to combat. His words about the North Carolina widow and her son were both touching and compelling. If I had a kid in Iraq, I'd want Bush in charge. (David Frum makes a similar point here.) Posted at 09:19 AM FACT CHECKING [Jonah Goldberg] Obviously, it's self-serving, but the Bush campaign's fact checking of the debate is useful. Posted at 08:54 AM MORE IRANIAN UNREST [KJL] Posted at 08:53 AM “SUMMIT” [Rich Lowry] Jonah, I agree completely. I guess he needs the summit in order to pass the “global test,” after which Iraq will, of course, be nicely pacified... Posted at 08:52 AM MARRIAGE IN THE HOUSE [Stanley Kurtz] As Ramesh mentioned, yesterday the House voted on an amendment defining marriage as the union of a man and a woman. The vote was 227 in favor, 186 opposed, with 20 not voting. Thirty-six Democrats voted in favor of the amendment and twenty-seven Republicans voted against. Although this fell short of the two-thirds majority needed to pass an amendment, it improved significantly on the vote in the Senate. This vote is part of a long-term effort to pass a Marriage Protection Amendment. Although the moment of truth has not yet arrived, we shall surely get there. For more on how and why a marriage amendment can pass, go here. The debate over the Marriage Protection Amendment was different in the House than it was in the Senate. During the Senate debate, Democrats simply claimed that the Defense of Marriage Act would hold. Almost no Senate Democrats actually argued in favor of same-sex marriage. In the House, though, Democrats from safely liberal districts felt free to advocate for gay marriage. This produced an interesting contradiction. On the one hand, most of the Democratic speakers treated same-sex marriage as a matter of fundamental rights. On the other hand, many of these same Democrats insisted that the issue ought to be left up to the states. But of course, if the analogy between same-sex marriage and civil rights is valid, then the matter cannot be left to the states. On the contrary, if it is truly discriminatory to define marriage as the union of a man and a woman, then gay marriage would have to be imposed on the country as a whole by the courts. So the Democrats make a game of throwing the federalist argument at Republicans. But the truth is, the Democrats are using a civil rights argument virtually guaranteed to bring about what they claim can never happen–court imposed national gay marriage. Posted at 08:50 AM OH YEAH, FORGOT TO MENTION: CLINCHED! [Rich Lowry] Posted at 08:48 AM FROM A BUSH CAMPAIGN AIDE... [Rich Lowry] ...I talked to last night, for what it's worth (quoting roughly): “Anyone who thought we were going to put Kerry away and end the election last night didn't watch the Kerry-Weld debates. That wasn't going to happen. He wasn't going to fall all over himself. Anyone who thought he was going to hasn't followed his career. And if you understand the dynamic of this race, you know nobody is going to put this race away. It was already tightening and is going to continue to tighten. The trend line is toward an even race....” Posted at 08:43 AM SUMMITRY [Jonah Goldberg] Rich - I agree. But I've been thinking about it and I think there's another candidate. One of the amazing things was how when Kerry had to really reach down to his gut to draw out a real example of the sort of superior leadership he would show as President he invariably declared he'd have a summit. Oh how our troops must be hoping against hope that we get a change in Washington and get that summit! I'm sure today in mess halls and fox holes from Basra to Baghdad the men are a-chatter about how the guy who voted against sending them body armor is -- if elected, fingers crossed -- going to hold a summit. From last night: ....I know I can do a better job in Iraq. I have a plan to have a summit with all of the allies.... ....I'm going to hold that summit.... ....But this president hasn't even held the kind of statesman-like summits that pull people together and get them to invest in those states. In fact, he's done the opposite. He pushed them away. ....
Posted at 08:42 AM NOTABLE QUOTABLE [John J. Miller] A few commentators have said that the debate included no memorable lines--no "There you go again" or "You're no Jack Kennedy" moments. Perhaps none of last night's rhetoric will make the history books, but something tells me the statement we're most likely to remember is Kerry saying that the United States needs a foreign policy "that passes the global test." Who gets to grade this test? Jacques Chirac? Kofi Annan? Kerry really blundered here, both because it's a truly dreadful phrase and because it accurately represents an aspect of his thinking that most Americans won't agree with. Posted at 08:38 AM BAD GUYS MAKE NOISE [KJL] From FNC TV: Supposed Zawahiri tape is playing on al Jazeera calling for attacks on U.S. and British interests. We had a 90 minute debate. Now back to reality. As one practical America just said to me "We're at war, bush is our leader." And, oh, by the way: we and Iraq killed 100ish bad guys in Iraq last night. Posted at 08:35 AM “GLOBAL TEST” [Rich Lowry] That Kerry phrase obviously offers the best opportunity for the Bush folks to make some post-debate hay, as the Cheney statement posted below by Kathryn suggests. That phrase is a pretty good (and kind of ridiculous-sounding) distillation of Kerry's hyper-multlilateralism, so the Bush folks should make the most of it. Posted at 08:31 AM FOP, DANDY [Jonah Goldberg] From a reader: Jonah, The terms fop and dandy come to mind as we hear more about Kerry's obsession with his appearance. He flies his hairdresser across the country, he uses spray on tan for that outdoors look, it appears that he has botox treatments and has had his choppers whitened. Finally, while in Florida he seizes the opportunity to pop in to the beauty parlor for a manicure while the Presidents visits the hurricane victims. I believe this is an indicator of the differences between the real deal and a self absorbed narcissist. Posted at 08:29 AM VIETNAM [Rich Lowry] I lost count, but I think Kerry mentioned his Vietnam service in some form about six times last night. And this is the new less Vietnam-obsessed Kerry! Posted at 08:28 AM ABOUT THE "ANNOYANCE" [KJL] I still think it was more, as Kate put it, disgust. Here's a guy who is literally leading the free world--and expanding it. And he's put up next to a guy who has never been known to do his job as senator, and he's telling Bush how to be president. Readers I'm reading are ticked The Corner has been so down on Bush in the last 12 hours or so, but that's because they get all that. Fencesitters who don't realize Kerry's record in the Senate (or lack thereof) don't get that context yet, and that's why the debate was a bummer for Bush. I think people get the flip-flop thing as much as they will. Focus on the last 30 years--why doesn't Kerry want to talk about it, etc? A few strong messages under that theme would be helpful for Bush this month, imho. Posted at 08:27 AM MY TAKE [John J. Miller] I thought Bush did just fine last night. It's possible to imagine a better performance with more emotional appeals about standing in the wreckage of 9-11, more eloquent rebuttals to a few of Kerry's points, and more direct attacks on Kerry's record of unreconstructed liberalism. But Bush clearly came to the forum intending to say a few simple things, and he said them well enough. His presentation contained the homespun simplicity that pundits always put down and the public always seems to appreciate. It's a cliche to say Bush has a history of being underestimated, but I think it's happening again--people are underestimating what he accomplished last night. He came in like a coach with a game plan, executed it, and left with a close victory because he scored enough points and didn't commit any turnovers. The media wants an entertaining horse race, and we may get one yet. But if we do, it won't be because Bush let us down in the first debate. Posted at 08:27 AM WILL BEING ANNOYED HURT? [Rich Lowry] E-mail: “I was disappointed with the president tonight, but, like you, I know from past experience that no matter how badly I think the president flubbed, the public perception is one of sincerity and strength. One Democratic spin that I don't think will work is the `Al Gore’ attack. The annoying aspect of Gore's sighs and expressions of exasperation was that they seemed so incongruous with his tree-like personality...almost as if he had spent time in front of the mirror practicing his "irritated loook" thinking that it might make him appear to be the alpha male he so wanted to be. But Bush last night, on the other hand, seemed genuinly annoyed, as if he didn't give a hoot whether there were cameras on him or not he was downright perturbed. In that sense his irritation, I think, will be percieved as Millerish (as in Zell) rather than Gorish (as in Al).” ME: Could be. I wish Bush had hid his annoyance better, though. I think both these guys have a certain level of contempt for one another. The trick is to hide it. Bush could have done a better job of it last night… Posted at 08:21 AM BUSTED? [Rich Lowry] E-mail: “Rich, One remark Kerry made jumped right out of the TV. In no uncertain terms he committed to end development of another weapons system (nuclear bunker buster bombs). Since Kerry has a reputation for opposing just ablout every major weapons system I'm amazed that the Republican spinners haven't jumped on that. i.e. Even at a time of war, nuclear proliferation and terrorism, the only `nuance’ free statement Kerry made was to oppose weapons.” ME: Good point, but I’m assuming it just would have been too complicated and risky for Bush to call Kerry on this—would have had to make the case for these new nukes and risked making a stupendous nuclear-related gaffe. Posted at 08:18 AM THE BAGHDAD CANDY MASSACRE [John Derbyshire] It was the *Americans* who massacred all those kids in Iraq yesterday. So say the Iraqis: "Terrified parents rushed to the scene. Some witnesses said U.S. troops and Iraqi national guardsmen, panicked by the succession of blasts, fired on the crowd, killing at least two people. "Ten American soldiers were also woulded in the blasts, two of them seriously. But that was not enough to convince furious fathers and uncles that the Americans themseves had not staged the massacre. "'It was the Americans who did it, because the blast happened after they left,' said Yassin. 'None of them were killed.' "The uncle of another wounded boy said the Americans 'want to exterminate the Iraqi people. They think Iraq will be against them forever, and children are the future of Iraq.'" ----New York Post (print edition) These people are, of course, being stupidly naive. While it was undoubtedly Americans who set off the bombs, the inspiration and planning of the atrocity were the work of Jews. Isn't it obvious?.... Posted at 08:09 AM OVER ON THE HOMEPAGE [KJL] A bunch of analysis went up last night, more up now--Robbins, Gvosdev on debate. Gurdon, Hanson, Sikorski, and more on more. And even more a-coming. Posted at 08:02 AM RANDOM AFTER-THE-FACT SUGGESTION [Rich Lowry] To inoculate himself against the too-rosy charge while still emphasizing his steadfastness, maybe Bush should have said right up front in his opening, “We had awful news out of Iraq today. 35 children were killed in bombings. That is truly horrific. Some say I ignore the bad news out of Iraq. Believe me, I don't. It's just when I hear about these sort of killings by terrorists desparate to derail us in Iraq, it steels my resolve even more to see this thing through...” Posted at 07:59 AM KERRY'S BIG WINS, AND BUSH'S [Jonah Goldberg] The more I think about it. Kerry's biggest wins were all secondary or passive. He didn't lose. He didn't cost himself the election. He scored better points on style. But the next day it's hard to remember much of the style. I think his biggest victory was giving his troops hope. Remember that "enthusiasm gap"? Kerry's supporters were increasingly resigned to the fact that there was no real reason to like their guy -- only to hate his opponent. This through the dogs a bone -- and the media too, which desperately wanted something new and nice to say about Kerry. But as for Bush, he was right on more of the substance and that comes through in your memory. If you asked me their differences today based on the debate, I'd say "Bush wants to be offense; Kerry wants summits." Kery's answers had no logical consistency, and while logical consistency is overrated in these debates, Kerry needed to show more conviction than he did to change the race. And, I think the sound bites this week will probably reinforce that. Posted at 07:58 AM "HEARTLAND KUDOS" [Jonah Goldberg] From a reader: Hey Jonah: Posted at 07:10 AM IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND SINCE BEFORE THE DEBATE [KJL] Start scrolling up roundabout here. Posted at 07:09 AM EXCUSES [KJL] On Drudge: "Bush inner circle suggests Bush visit with Hurricane victims earlier in day was emotionally draining, contributed to "tired" appearance in debate... " Strikes me as that excuse especially would tick off Bush. Posted at 06:01 AM SCALIA'S BRILLIANT STRATEGY [KJL] taking attention off debate reax with orgy commentary. Posted at 02:08 AM SECOND TIME'S A CHARM? [KJL] A reader from New Jersey: Ms. Lopez, I'm a very nervous Bush supporter who thought that Kerry had won the election right after the debate ended. But, I'm watching again on CNN and I feel much better about the President's performance. President Bush definately won the first half hour of the debate. I missed that part live. Had I seen it, I would've come to a different conclusion on the President's performance. The first part of the debate is the part most people will have seen. The press is gushing about Senatoy Kerry's performance, but I think the polls will stay the same because of the first half hour. Posted at 01:35 AM MORE REAX [KJL] Over on the homepage, we've got Gary Andres, David Frum, Ed Kilgore, Bob Moran, Jay Nordlinger, Jack Pitney, and Peter Robinson up now. Check back later Friday morning for more on the debates and much more. Posted at 01:31 AM MY QUICK TAKE [Rich Lowry] I guess I side with those who are disappointed in Bush's performance, but only with hesitation because it is so difficult to judge Bush in debates. When you think of the arguments he could ideally make, he almost always is lacking. He tends to be repetitive and tongue-tied. But, then again, he usually manages to get his point across to voters just fine, and to defy his pundit-doubters. Two things that I think most people will take away from this debate that will help Bush: 1) when push comes to shove Bush will defend the country and its interests, no matter what international opinion says; 2) Bush wants to be on the offense on the war on terror. These are points that Bush emphasized again and again. Maybe not always artfully, but that doesn't matter so much as the fact that majority sentiment in the country is on his side on both. Posted at 01:28 AM TONIGHT'S KERRY E-MAIL [KJL] Dear Kathryn, Posted at 12:20 AM KAUS SAYS KERRY WON, BLAMES PODIUM [KJL] (Ok, there's more to it...!) Posted at 12:13 AM GENERAL CONSENSUS HERE AND THERE [KJL] From Drudge: LOCKHART: DEBATE CONSENSUS A 'DRAW' Posted at 12:10 AM FIRST POST POSTS [KJL] Note to self: Get someone to install some kind of cyber-zapping system to put that to an end. Posted at 12:07 AM ANOTHER PBS SHOCKER [Tim Graham] Charlie Rose ends his hour tonight with two Frenchies (Christine Ockrent, Bernard Kouchner) who think Kerry won big. He's more sophisticated, he's more sincere, while Bush personifies everything hated about America. Posted at 12:03 AM HA! [Jonah Goldberg] In a crowded field: First post of the day! Posted at 12:00 AM Thursday, September 30, 2004 END OF THE DAY ANALYSIS [Jonah Goldberg] I'm more with Mark the more I think about it. Kerry "won" according to scorekeepers who don't matter that much. Kerry needed to change the dynamics of the debate and he almost certainly didn't. Though the way he probably helped himself the most is by giving his troops hope. If Kerry had been perceived as the loser coming out of this, the recriminations and desertions would have begun. Posted at 11:58 PM NOV. 2 [Stanley Kurtz] I agree with the general consensus. Both candidates did well, and as a performance, the debate was essentially a draw. At one level, that helps Kerry by heartening his supporters and halting what could have been a potentially disastrous slide. Yet in the end, this debate will give the election to the president. That’s because the public understands that with the stakes so high, it’s substance that matters, not style. Tonight, Americans understand even more clearly what they’ve understood all along. These two men have a different approach to foreign policy. Kerry is more multilateral, more disposed to rely on negotiations, and more comfortable with the European perspective on the world. The president is willing to work with other nations, but more disposed to use force if necessary, and more suspicious of the European world-view. The fact of the matter is, the public is closer to the president’s perspective on these issues. Kerry’s base is split on issues of war and foreign policy, and that gives the president the advantage. So the debate matters simply because it confirms what everyone already knows about the differences between the two candidates. I’m not even sure that, had the president committed a major rhetorical gaffe, things would have been any different. In this election in particular, the public is genuinely listening for substance, and will go with its real beliefs. They will not be distracted by sideshows. The Swiftboat stuff might seem to contradict this, but it doesn’t. The Swiftboat controversy looks like an issue of style, character, and personality. But it’s really clue to what sort of substantive foreign policy views are rooted in John Kerry’s soul. In short, this election will turn on substance, not style, and this debate has confirmed and emphasized the clear policy choice. Since the public’s foreign policy instincts are closer to those of the president, he will win. Posted at 11:50 PM ON THEIR KNEES [Tim Graham] An old friend nailed it for me: Plain and simple. The conservative eggheads are overanalyzing and the liberals are praying. Posted at 11:48 PM DEBATE TRANSCRIPT [Jonah Goldberg] Here it is. Posted at 11:38 PM CW [Mark R. Levin] Before the debate, the common wisdom was that the debates were Kerry's last chance to win the election. In 2 days, nothing about what he said during this debate will be remembered because nothing was memorable. Posted at 11:35 PM CHENEY ROLLS WITH THE GLOBAL TEST [KJL] REMARKS BY THE VICE PRESIDENT FOLLOWING A PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE WATCHING PARTY Posted at 11:34 PM STILL WAITING FOR C-SPAN [Jonah Goldberg] Though I guess they're going to run it on C-Span 2 since C-Span 1 is carrying the debate. Should be on soon. UPDATE I'm now on hold with C-Span. Should be on in five minutes. Posted at 11:32 PM THE PEOPLE SPEAK! [Michael Graham] I'm taking calls right now, live on WMAL in DC, and the consensus is that Kerry was good, but Bush was better. The recurring question is "Why didn't Bush take it to Kerry on..." North Korea, the bunker-buster, the $87 billion. I think it's strategy (be the nice guy), but many of my callers think it's a mistake. Posted at 11:28 PM THE DEBATE [John Hood] I'd recommend not falling into the trap of scoring this debate as if it were the culmination of a forensics tournament. For the viewers who tuned in for the first 45 minutes or so, I think Bush was a more effective communicator. He sounded authoritative, his message was clear, and his message makes some level of sense even if you aren't predisposed to agree with him or with a Republican president per se. Kerry did not come across well during the period. Later, Bush seemed to get a little tired and annoyed, and Kerry picked up a little steam. But Kerry's problem is that his message is inherently complicated and would be difficult to communicate effectively for anyone. The war was a mistake, but I'll fit to win it anyway, but it is a distraction, and I'll send more equipment, but we're spending too much on it, and I'll inspire other countries to join us, but the countries who are there aren't doing much worth commending, etc., etc. Bush doggedly responds: you won't win if you waver. We will prevail. I'm realistic -- it's a tough, hard slog. But I'm optimistic -- we will win and freedom in the Middle East will be transformational. You don't have to be a slick rhetorician to win this kind of exchange. Remember, also, the repetition is a good thing, not a bad thing. Let's face it: we are wonky weirdos. Most viewers probably came in and out of the room, they visited the little voters' room, they went to make a sandwich. You have to talk to the whole audience, including those who missed your key point the first couple of times you made it. Kerry had a little more riding on tonight than Bush did, and it just didn't happen for him. The debate as a whole was informed, substantive, and revealing -- but it did not change the dynamics of the race. Posted at 11:19 PM ALLIES [Andrew Stuttaford] Which allies does Kerry want to bring into Iraq? France? Germany? It would be interesting to know how he would propose to do this - and the price he would have to pay. Posted at 11:13 PM MY FOCUS GROUP [Cliff May] Someone I consider a good focus group -- because she's not very partisan and certainly is no political junkie -- thought Bush looked a little tired. But she also thought he was the more persuasive. Why? Because he looked and sounded like a president. And Kerry looked and sounded like someone who wants Bush's job. In her view, Bush didn't knock Kerry out. If anything, he gave the impression that he didn't want to be bothering with this guy, that he had more important fish to fry. But that didn't change her mind. She was leanign toward Bush before. She'll probably vote for Bush now. Posted at 11:12 PM HARD RIGHT? [Tim Graham] On MSNBC, Tom Brokaw just said that by insisting on more taxes for homeland security programs, John Kerry turned to the "hard right." Posted at 11:11 PM KERRYSPOT [KJL] says no bounce for anyone. Posted at 11:05 PM SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT [Jonah Goldberg] From a reader: | ||||||