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Left: President Donald Trump at the White House, April 9, 2025. Right: Pope Leo XIV attends a meditation inside St. Peter’s Basilica at the Vatican, June 25, 2025.
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As far as showdowns between popes and secular leaders go, President Trump versus Pope Leo hardly rates.
Leo hasn’t forced Trump to come see him and stand for three days in the snow, the way Pope Gregory VII did to Henry IV, the Holy Roman Emperor, in 1077. Nor has he issued an interdict, a tactic favored by Pope Innocent III, against the United States.
About the Author
Rich Lowry is the editor in chief of National Review.
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As far as showdowns between popes and secular leaders go, President Trump versus Pope Leo hardly rates.
Leo hasn’t forced Trump to come see him and stand for three days in the snow, the way Pope Gregory VII did to Henry IV, the Holy Roman Emperor, in 1077. Nor has he issued an interdict, a tactic favored by Pope Innocent III, against the United States.
About the Author
Rich Lowry is the editor in chief of National Review.
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