Yet more legal wonkery:

“Mr. Derbyshire—Please refer to the following regarding 14th amendment:

(A) United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), (B) Elk v. Wilkins,

112 U.S. 94, 99 (1884).

“In Wong ’subject to the jurisdiction’ excluded the children born to foreign

diplomats while in the US. In Elk the exclusion had to do with members of

sovereign Indian tribes. If the logic you suggested were to be applied,

then illegal immigrants would not be subject to any US laws (though at times

it seems you believe this to be the case).”

Whoa. They must be subject to SOME laws, surely?……..