Zineb El Rhazoui is a Moroccan journalist who works for Charlie Hebdo. Charlie Hebdo, as you know, is the satirical magazine in Paris. It is left-wing and atheist. Last January, two Islamists went to Charlie Hebdo’s offices and committed a massacre. They killed twelve people.

Rhazoui wasn’t there that day. She was on vacation.

But she went back. Why? For several reasons, one of which was solidarity. “I owe something to my colleagues,” she told me. “I can’t abandon them,” not after so many were killed. “It’s my duty as a survivor, I think.”

Islamists the world over are furious that Rhazoui wasn’t killed last January. They have vowed to hunt her down until she is dead. They are especially incensed that an Arab woman, raised a Muslim, works for Charlie Hebdo. Rhazoui lives with a 24/7 security detail. She rarely sleeps in the same place twice.

I interviewed her at the Oslo Freedom Forum in Norway. I wrote a piece about her for National Review, here. My intent was to follow up the piece with a longish series online. But I have turned our conversation into a podcast instead: here.

Why? It is striking to hear Rhazoui tell her story, and give her opinions, in her own voice. It is a powerful voice — full of determination, conviction, and fun, like the woman herself. She is living under circumstances few of us can imagine. I admire her tremendously. Our political and other views are very different, I’m sure. But so what? We’re in the same fight. Her message is universal, and ought to be universally heeded.

Anyway, I recommend that you make the acquaintance of Zineb El Rhazoui. That podcast, again, is here.