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The World (Some Dippings-In)

Milton Friedman speaks at an event held in his honor at the White House, on May 9, 2002. President George W. Bush is sitting with Rose Friedman, the wife and sometime co-author of the honoree. (Kevin Lamarque / Reuters)

I have done a podcast with Kevin D. Williamson, always a pleasant and interesting thing to do. Our Q&A is here. I have headed this podcast, our conversation, “Talking the World.” In the 1990s, there was a documentary, about Daniel Bell, Irving Kristol, et al.: Arguing the World. I have never seen it, but intend to. I have never seen, or read, many things, but intend to.

Kevin and I don’t quite talk the world, but we do some dippings-in. Subjects include Kanye West (about whom Kevin wrote a piece for NR, in 2019: here). Abortion. Elitism, anti-elitism. The “workers” and “working-class politics.” Swastikas. Swastikas? Yes. There was an interesting report from the Associated Press the other day: “Asian faiths try to save swastika symbol corrupted by Hitler.” Kevin once lived and worked in India, where the swastika is a normal part of life, in a non-Kanye way.

Near the end of our talk, I ask Kevin what I have asked many people over the years: “What is your media diet? Do you have one?” Answers to this question can be useful. I also ask him about books and thinkers who had an impact on him. A few years ago, Mario Vargas Llosa wrote a kind of memoir. It’s about his political development. He has chapters paying tribute to Hayek, Aron, and others. Vargas Llosa’s book is now available in English, and I wrote about it last month (here).

In high school, Kevin was assigned Free to Choose, by the Friedmans. That was clarifying, instructive. He was also reading National Review — not so much for the politics as for the culture, and the intellectual matters, and the literary matters. The New Criterion, too, was an influence.

Like me — like a lot of us — Kevin inhaled opinion columns, by Bill Buckley, George Will, and others. He also discovered Tom Wolfe and Hunter S. Thompson — who illustrated, who exemplified, a new kind of journalism.

In a recent Q&A, I asked George Will whether he had ever been starstruck by anybody. Many have been starstruck by him. Has it ever been the other way around? It has, once. A young Will encountered Isaiah Berlin at Oxford and was duly wowed.

KDW came along a little late for Sir Isaiah. But he has interesting stories to tell about Manmohan Singh and Gwyneth Paltrow. Appreciators of Kevin D. Williamson — and they are happily legion — will appreciate this Q&A. Again, here.

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