PBS talk show host Tavis Smiley honored longtime CBS producer Don Hewitt on Wednesday night by replaying an old interview in which Hewitt suggested he was working in “holier-than-thou television” at CBS:

At that point, the documentaries were sort of — they were like holier-than-thou television. People watched documentaries for the same reason they went to church, because they thought they had to, and it changed television in such a way that 60 Minutes made a profit of $3.2 million — billion.

Actually, Hewitt may have been saying that documentaries used to be stuffy and educational, until Hewitt made them quicker and snappier. If 60 Minutes resembled a church in any way, could they convince atheistic Andy Rooney to hang around?