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National Review editor Rich Lowry challenged Representative Marcia Fudge (D., Ohio) on Meet the Press over Democratic opposition to GOP proposals to fund individual aspects of the government and prevent default on the national debt.

Democrats “have a cynical politics at work here,” Lowry said. “They want to make everything as frightening and as painful as possible.”

He asked Fudge why Democrats largely opposed a Republican-backed bill to fund the National Institutes of Health (NIH), which provides clinical trials for children with cancer. Senate majority leader Harry Reid has refused to take it up in the Senate. Fudge voted against the measure, which passed the House with bipartisan support. “It was passed,” she replied. “I don’t support it because every single function of the government is important, and we need to open all of the government.”

Fudge did not provide a coherent answer when Lowry asked why she opposed measures to make a government shutdown “less painful” until a solution is negotiated.

“Less painful for whom?” she responded.

“For people who need the NIH,” Lowry said.