Ramesh — You and Chait make perfectly fair points, but I don’t know that they completely rebut Lieberman. For example, it’s difficult to see anything like the passion liberals had over South Africa’s apartheid among liberals today. Darfur — an important and worthy concern — consumes far more emotional support from prominent liberals than the war on terror, or at least it seems to. Feminists, again it seems, were far more passionate about the evils of the Taliban and similar groups and ideologies in the 1990s than they are today. I agree with Chait that many liberals think the way he does, but where I see the most passion from liberals when it comes to the war on terror is on the side of mocking, sneering or in other ways minimizing its seriousness and in highlighting its downsides. Intellectually, folks like Chait may think Bin Laden is much worse than Bush. And there may be countless liberals who feel likewise but are relatively silent. But at the emotional level — which matters enormously in politics — it’s hard to see that kind of commitment on the nightly news, the chat shows or on the streets.