I haven’t followed this thread. Surely someone mentioned lacrimae rerum–the tears at the heart of things?

“Even so far away/ Great valor has due honor; they weep here/ For how the world goes, and our life that passes/ Touches their hearts.” (Aeneid,Fitzgerald translation).

This is what Vergil attritbutes to the Trojans, tough old fellows, in the poem he wrote for Augustus, another tough old fellow.